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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 12:28 am |
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| For the information of the board of directors of PGCA, The "guns for sale" section of the doublegunshop.com site has been very benign in interaction among buyers, sellers, and the website administrator. If any board member would like further information, email me at wilmrph@verizon.net or call me on my land line which is listed in the PGCA membership list.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:03 am |
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| I'm betting that the BOD is now or is about to revisit the issue of guns (Parkers) for sale on this website. The reasons not to do so have been explained several times previously on this BBS but with the renewed or rekindled interest of members to but/sell Parkers here, maybe the issue merits a new look. Thinking outside of the "box" continues to produce higher levels of tolerance and newer and brighter horizons for everybody; not just here but in every level of business and in today's society. There are always new ways to do things. There are always challenges and compromises involved in making something better for all. And there are always disappointments to some. The BOD has the best interests of the entire PGCA in mind in all dscision making and I am certain that there are never any selfish motives involved in any oftheir decision making processes. I'm sure we will be addressed by the BOD on this issue soon.
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:46 am |
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I am of two minds about this subject. First, let me say that the "old Guard" has been very generous with their knowledge and have a guiding and humorous relationship with us" younger" types. When the sale of Parkers becomes a feature of the BBS some of the above will fade with the commercial nature of things. If any of you think the Double Gun BBS is a better forum just look at the recent post on their opinion of this site. Such vitriol and and cant is almost never seen here but is a regular feature of that site. I'll stick with this group!
And, many thanks to the Old Guard for all your help over the last few years!
And further I enjoy knowing by name who I am corresponding with!!!
David
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Jim Williams
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:56 am |
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David,
Much of the venom on the other site ABOUT this site comes from two posters, one of whom was banned from here, the other who left indignantly, both acting like...well, children. The one who was banned treated a young teenage boy as rudely as I have ever seen, and when warned to back off, did it with even more conviction. He should have been banned. You are correct that they are less respectful in general over there, but it is still a fairly decent forum.
That said, I agree with your appreciation of the Old Guard and what they have offered in terms of knowledge and advice to the less experience. But it seems to me that most of the Old Guard who are regular users of this forum are in favor of offering a guns-for-sale section on this site. I have never understood why we don't have one. I agree completely with them that it SHOULD be done.
Jim
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Brad Steinfeld
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 06:54 am |
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David and Jim,
After reading your comments I recognized my injustice to many of the "established" PGCA members by my statement earlier that I would like to apologize for and re-state.
I said in my earlier post:
"It's a selfish crime and I fear the future of the PGCA and Parker collecting will pay a dear price for it as these fine guns disappear behind very closed doors."
It should have read.
It's a selfish crime and I fear the future of the PGCA and Parker collecting will pay a dear price for it as these fine guns disappear behind very closed doors AS THOSE MOST ABLE AND KNOWLEGEABLE ALSO DISSAPEAR THROUGH THE PASSSAGE OF TIME.
I regret this error and also not acknowledging the "Old Guard" members that have shared and mentored.
Brad
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Jesse Renecker
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 08:26 am |
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If I crossed the line some one just give me a haller. Im not a life long member yet but then I dont have my own Parker yet either, I am thinking of one day bringing home a hammer gun. My food stamps worth of thought is it would be great to have an area to sell here. I saw something in another post about giving you guys first crack at something before ebay, now that makes good sense in my book. Everyone here has helped me learn more about Parkers then I could possibly learn around where I live.
I want to thank every one for this great site and maybe someday with a little elbow grease the sell/buy/trade/barter list might happen.
Just think, the only difference between a canoe and a battleship is time and money.
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Jerry Bauman
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 12:17 pm |
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I'm sort of waiting to hear from Dave Suponski about this subject seeings as he was so vocal in an e-mail to me about gun sales on this site.
Dave, care to comment?
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John Davis
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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The issue of gun sales on this site is not a closed question. It has and will be revisited by the Board of Directors. What the decision of the Board will be, I can’t say. However, the decision has not been and will not be based on any fundamental objection to selling Parker guns via the internet. Remember, this is a volunteer organization. Every thing we do and offer is the result of some member stepping up to the plate and offering his time and energy, free of charge. In order to institute internet gun sales on the Parker BBS requires someone to set it up and then over see it. I know most folks think all this stuff just happens magically with the wave of a wand. It just don’t happen that way. And it’s easy to dream up all kinds of great projects when you’re not the one whose got to do all the work. Personally, I’d love to see a portion of this BBS dedicated to the buying, selling and trading of Parker guns. But who’s going to build it and then run it? And in the end, given all the other internet gun sites, is it really worth the blood, sweat and tears to get there? These are the issues the Board has been and will continue to struggle with.
John N. Davis
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Eric Eis
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:20 pm |
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| Yes John I think it is worth it, as far as setting it up, that could be done on the Parker Parts For Sale section of the site I don't see that we need to change that much of the site. Maybe I am missing something here.... Eric
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John Davis
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Eric, looking forward to it. When can you start?  Last edited on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:31 pm by John Davis
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Lon E. Morris
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:45 pm |
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I doubt if anyone will be more shocked than myself, considering I do not have a strong opinion one way or the other, regarding this issue.
I would hope, if the sales aspect comes to pass, it would be strictly limited to Parker Guns.
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Dave Miles
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Lon E. Morris wrote: I doubt if anyone will be more shocked than myself, considering I do not have a strong opinion one way or the other, regarding this issue.
I would hope, if the sales aspect comes to pass, it would be strictly limited to Parker Guns.
And PGCA members!
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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| As I remember, we have always been told that the BATF&E controls, to some degree, whether an organization such as ours can even list guns for sale. . . ?
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Frank DAmico
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:07 pm |
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Dave Miles wrote: Lon E. Morris wrote: I doubt if anyone will be more shocked than myself, considering I do not have a strong opinion one way or the other, regarding this issue.
I would hope, if the sales aspect comes to pass, it would be strictly limited to Parker Guns.
And PGCA members!
thants one way to get new members.
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John Dallas
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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| HMMM, Seems to me that a few people got their knickers in a knot about being excluded from the Elsie shoot. This'll show'em
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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| If a person posts a gun for sale here, he had better have a thick skin because its going to get slammed by some of the folks here. How are you going to feel about the PGCA then?
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Dave Suponski
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 04:37 pm |
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Jerry,I don,t know how vocal I was.I simply alerted one of our moderators that some one had posted some guns for sale on the BBS. Until the policy changes it is not allowed and if it is good for one it has to be good for all period. Personaly I would welcome a "Guns For Sale"section.But I am not a board member nor do I have anything to do with the website and all that entails(which I am sure is quite a bit).I was just doing what I thought to be the proper thing to protect what I feel is a valuable resource for people interested in "The Parker Gun".
End of story....And no I am not gonna get in the arena with ya on this.Have a nice day
Dave...
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Dave Miles
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 05:37 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: If a person posts a gun for sale here, he had better have a thick skin because its going to get slammed by some of the folks here. How are you going to feel about the PGCA then?
If your not buying the gun, I see no reason to make comments about it. Do you pick apart every gun you see? If so, I hope I don't run into you at the Southern. As mine are all Klunkers, and I don't have very thick skin.
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Jeff Mulliken
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 05:54 pm |
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Dave, Don't worry just stand next to me at the Southern, I'll make you and your guns look good.
I prefer the current dynamic here where we can comment on a gun without the appearance that were negotiating or that our genuine opinions might influence the amount of cash that one of our friends/members will get when they offer a gun for sale. With the no sale policy on this board the conversations are more open and educational.
I might be alone in this but I prefer the separation of education from application, theory and reality and dare I say....church and state.
Jeff
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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Awww come on Dave, you hang out with me sometimes and if you're able to suffer than then your skin is pretty thick.
Destry
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