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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2006 10:00 pm |
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| A Boss "eightbore", one inch section of broomstick tightly wedged between the triggers, seven ounces of lead fours, copper coated, in Winchester paper cases, one thin filler wad over no more than four drams of single F in each, sealed on top of cardboard overpowder wads with candle wax. No need for a more secure seal unless the deed is to be done far out into the woods. On second thought, maybe I would select the 3 1/4 inch Rocky Mountain Cartridge brass for a more elegant end. Last edited on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 10:06 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Jan 27th, 2006 10:35 pm |
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I'm with Frank on this one. EH was the Kurt Cobain of his generation. For those who are unfamiliar with Kurt Cobain, he was a 90's rock star who lived his life in shambles, abused drugs, left a child behind fatherless, and sought to enhance his legacy by removing his skull with a shotgun. In Kurt's case, he chose a 20 bore, but they are basically the same.
You can look at them both as artists tortured by their inner demons or as cowards who were weak and useless. Take your pick!
I'd have more respect for either of them had they worked in a hubcap factory, laid off the dope, and made a go of it.
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Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 12:28 am |
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Is this what the Parker BBS has been reduced to?... A thread topic of A-1 specials that degenerates into the public trashing of a deceased Nobel prize winning writer with world class literary credits, suggesting he was a weak useless coward and comparing him to a burnt out rock singer?...
It's negative post's like this that remind me why I visit the official "PGCA Parker" site much less these days...
Give it a rest...
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 12:38 am |
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| I have an idea guys, let's go back to talking Parkers. If you want to talk about EH visit a web site devoted to him and hash it out. I agree with Chris this is getting real boring. Eric
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Greg Connors
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 02:17 am |
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Well, my comparison is actually very valid. Kurt Cobain was hardly burnt out - he was at the height of his career, critically acclaimed, got all the chicks he wanted, and was very successful commercially. Like Hemingway.
But OK, I'll lay off it. Speaking of rock stars, here is an excerpt from a timely MSN article today that adds some some more fuel to our argument that Parkers are undervalued:
In 1981, the flagship of rare electric guitars, the 1958-1960 sunburst Les Paul Standard (original list price, $265), was changing hands for the ludicrously high price of $10,000. Some dealers felt it had reached its zenith.
"A couple of the guys at the table started arguing over which would be a better investment: putting a Les Paul in a vault for 10 years, or putting the $10,000 in a T-bill account," recalls Steve Soest, one of the dealers present. "That knocked a bit of the magic out of the day."
Those arguing against the guitar's longevity would have done well to heed a song in the Stones' set that day: "Time Is On My Side." Within 10 years, sunburst Les Pauls were selling for $50,000 . . . then $60,000, and then $80,000. Now they are so coveted that plainer ones go for upwards of $150,000, while those with a pedigree or particularly dramatic flamed-maple tops have pushed past $300,000. The nine-pound guitars are worth their weight in gold, five times over.
From under $300 45 years ago to $300K today for a crummy guitar!
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 03:33 am |
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Getting back to Parkers..Grandad's A1 Special drew a little attention at the gun shop. There were a couple guys there that thought it was a great looking gun. There must be some interest in these old guns. I was able to sell this one on the spot for 5,000.00 cash.
Grandad got another Parker for his wife so they both could shoot. It still looks new. It's smaller sort of femanine looking. She didn't use it much if at all. It has a straight grip unlike the A1 and the fore end is wider. It looks like an AHE 20 ga. It has lots of blueish color on the metal behind the barrels and feels real prickly all over. I should probably smooth that out so it doesn't feel rough. I'm hoping the same gunshop will offer about half what they paid for the A1 since it's about half the size.
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Kevin Finnerty
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 03:44 am |
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Greg- Just where I was going when I started this discussion!
Parkers may well be undervalued and may stay that way as long as they are part of this odd secret society....
I'm still surprised that one of the members here was not involved enough to say something like .."hey I was out at 36,000 or so on the 28 or whatever....."
For myself I would have been on it and bidding (if not for a few major investments of mine taking up extra cash of late)
So back to the subject, anybody hazard a guess as to the prices realized?
I'll go out on a limb and say north of 45k and south of 75k for the 28.... I'd say it would be a bargain anyway...
For that matter- lets have some hypothetical fun.... what would y'all guess a true, perfect, unfired Remington era 12 gauge VHE would bring -on a table at a show- versus -at major auction house?- "Let's pick one that publishes realized prices like Julia or Devine"
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 03:54 am |
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Well Eric, I think you should take a stab at that question 
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 05:14 am |
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Yeah, I've got to agree guys. Let's get back to guns here and not insult Hemingway. He was a great writer and took the way out he thought best.
William Henry Herbert (Frank Forester) was America's first famous sporting writer. He did himself to death over a woman at the high of his career but I don't think less of him for it and neither should anybody else.
When a man takes his own life he has his own reasons and our opinions mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
DestryLast edited on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 05:15 am by Destry Hoffard
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Eric Eis
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 01:13 pm |
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| Well I know of one VHE 12 ga unfired no box or hang tags but original that just sold for $8,500. It was a Remington era gun 28" tubes, double trigger, DHBP. Eric
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 03:04 pm |
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EDM has an unfired Trojan new in the box. I don't know what he wants for it though, but it is for sale.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:05 pm |
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Destry, who or what is EDM and would you hazzard a guess as to price?
...the idea is to draw a comparison to the $10,000 Les Paul that is now $160,000
With the question remaining:
"are Parkers stagnant in the collectible marketplace?"
...The guns we are talking about are certainly not shooters, and will they collect dolllars or just dust? I'm guessing no one's heard what #s the Little John A1's traded for....
Eric, Was that V at auction ?
It seems auctions of late have been leaning toward lower numbers... What do you think?
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:11 pm |
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| EDM = Ed Muderlak
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:12 pm |
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| Let's see, Mr. F. asked five or six questions. I kind of want to answer the first one, but I think I will skip to the last one. Kevin, I think we should start going to auctions. Now, about that question number one!
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:13 pm |
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| Oh, thanks, John. Short and to the point. Are you really a lawyer?
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:20 pm |
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Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:27 pm |
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| ...Alright , somebody call EDM and see if he'll auction that thing.... How 'bout right here tonight! Bill! I'm with ya ...I'm thinkin' stuffs goin' cheap! Last edited on Sat Jan 28th, 2006 11:31 pm by Kevin Finnerty
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2006 12:22 am |
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| Kevin, no it was between two private parties. I also know of a VHE in the box, that sold for more (quite abit more but it had more options) than twice the price of the the VHE, I talked about in the earlier post. Again between private parties. Any other questions? Eric
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2006 03:16 am |
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Eric,
Thanks for the interesting insider details... any other tidbits?
Eric and Greg,
Getting back to the Les Paul $300,000 guitar comparison- My question is:
"are high original condition Parkers under valued relative to other collectible investments?"
If so, why? and what do y'all think?
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Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2006 08:56 am |
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Ed is on his boat and out of touch till spring I'm afraid. I've got no clue what he wants for that gun. He's told me but it just went right on by.
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