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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 04:02 pm |
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Russ,
This is one of his better efforts. I talked to Steve Smith (editor Pointing Dog Journal) at Pheasant fest and he told me the relationship he has with him is as Hoffhacker writes. Quite a charactor.
Bill
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Jack Cronkhite
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 04:07 pm |
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Our family debate usually goes along the line that we would like a different breed, so as not to be making comparisons between individuals. We love our dogs and the end is always difficult. Hunting companions over the years have been black lab, sheltie (can herd pheasant as well as sheep), GSP, mini American Eskimo (14 pounds of pheasant fanatic - joined us when the kids were at home and stayed with us long after they left), yellow lab, golden retriever and NEXT.
NEXT thinking has included
1: very tired of burrs with golden and mini Am Eskie
2: would like to go smaller now
3: thought about brittany
Recently came across the Braque du Burbonnais at Elk Run Kennels in Idaho. Interest is piqued - a small short hair pointing dog.
I guess we will see ultimately. I don't want to go into a third season dogless.
Cheers,
Jack
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 04:25 pm |
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Jack,
American Eskimo have alot of hair as do Goldens, more so then my dogs. Llewellins range anywhere from 30 -40lbs about the same as a Brit. There is a famous quote " Llewellin Setters are not the perfect Bird Dog, but it is the best we Have" Winston Churchill.
Bill
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Russ Jackson
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 04:42 pm |
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| Bill; That is a beautiful litter of pups !, By the nice green grass must have been summer or Fall ? I keep debating Dog breeds , Its either going to be a English setter or An English pointer , I now have three Britts, The Mother is just short of 13 years and both pups are working on 7 years of age, The mother was exceptional on everything, the Kids are both just a tad bit better than fair,All listen quite well but the noses on the younger dogs just aren't as good and both crowd their birds a bit, a real no, no for Grouse !They just don't seem to grab scent as early as their mother did . Its time do decide and make a new purchase !
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 04:51 pm |
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Russ,
My Dad and his Friends went thru the french Dog phase. I also started with English Setters as did my best friend. Th English setters we had over the last 25 years hunted well but ranged alot farther then the Llewellins do. The llewellins also have a stronger retrieving instinct then the English Setters. This is only my limited experience with these breeds
Bill
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John Dallas
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 05:29 pm |
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I've never understood the desire to "try something different" in a gundog. Certainly, I am sure there are good members of the obscure breeds, but the reality of ending up with a good gun dog is a game of probablity. If the obscure breeds were that good, they wouldn't be obscure.
I want to start with the odds as much in my favor as possible. That's why I chose a pup (Lab) whose parents were British National trial competitors (and winners)
1300 retreives later, and probably 50 or so visits to Detroit's Children's Hospital as a Therapy dog, I'm convinced I made the right choice
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bobpeters
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 07:08 pm |
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Labs are pretty versatile, the easiest dogs I have ever trained. I will know in about 25 days if this breeding took. A repeat of my last litter, all very good hunters. My dog, the mama, points, yea it's a lab point but if she does it you had better have your gun ready. Last litter was 9, all chocolate. Males now about 90lbs, females 75-80lbs, great for all types of birds. Mostly burr proof, but not skunk!!
This is "moose" pointing a moth in the grass at about 5-6 weeks.
Send me a PM if you have any needs for a new dog.
Good hunting,
BP
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2009 11:53 pm |
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John and Bob,
Dogs are like love affairs, I know that you guys beleave that Labrador Deceivers are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Lets face it they are bread for waterfowl. They look majestic sitting with that 1,000 mile stare looking off scanning the horizon. I always love the pictures of labs busting through ice retrieving ducks and geese.
But lets face it hunting Grouse with a Lab is like taking a transvestite to a dance. I mean for goodness sakes you also could carry a synthetic autoloader with 5 shots. Just my unbiased observation. You guys really should start reading Spaulding Hoffhacker
Bill
Now I am going to hell for sure
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John Dallas
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 01:14 am |
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| Who said anything about hunting grouse with a Lab? (BTW, I hunt her on grouse every year, and she has brought back some lightly-hit birds that might have been wasted without a strong retreiver
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 01:28 am |
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bobpeters: you should send a picture of "moose" to the Ugly Dog catalog folks; I bet he'd make the catalog! I bet he's a tank when he grows up.
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 01:34 am |
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John,
So you did take a transvestite to a dance!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill
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John Dallas
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 01:45 am |
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| The picture - Let me guess - Pen-raised chukkar shot 40 yards from the pen?
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 01:57 am |
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John,
Actually 40 miles from the pen, Judy was only 14 weeks old and I was starting her on pen raised birds in that photo. In these situations you can control all aspects. This picture is wild birds in Kansas, I was really unsure of taking a grouse dog to hunt Wild Pheasant, Quail and the odd prarie chicken but they did fine. The crazy thing about her is she has no interest in a ball or frisbee, but drop a bird in front of her and she is all over it.
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 02:11 am |
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John,
I love all hunting dogs, and actually all dogs. Although I am not real big on Cats, I am just kidding you guys. I get the feeling your next post would have a lot of words that would not be proper for some of the younger members ears. If you read Spaulding Hoffhacker that I keep refering to, you would understand. My Girlfriend has a Lab, I know what your thinking, get rid of her. I say No she is comming around, and so is the dog.
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Jack Cronkhite
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 02:23 am |
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Well, this has turned into a dog thread and much better than what started it. Remember earlier today I was chatting breeds. A bit later, my wife asked me to have a look at a rescue posted today on our local humane society web site. Ominous invitation. So, I looked and said "cute". She says, maybe we should go have a look in person. I knew that meant a pup was coming home, if it was still there. So we get there and sure enough the little girl is still there. So, no longer dogless. We are suckers for rescues. Both TAZ and FOXY were abandoned dogs. Our nameless pup is of a breed commonly known as mutt. She is yellow lab/siberian husky with one blue and one brown eye. Should be good cold weather dog. 8 months to train her for pheasant. I'm a firm believer that all dogs will hunt given the chance. Not quite what I thought we would do, but it is done. Puppy fun already underway, she's approx. 3 months old and was found as a stray two weeks ago, which was minus 30 weather so she's tough alright. No one claimed her after two weeks.
Here's the picture that was on the website.
ABANDONED PUP WINS LOTTERY
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 02:29 am |
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Jack.
Remember all dog breeds started as mutts, God bless you for saving this one. Just maybe you will have he pheasant finding machine..........
Bill
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Jack Cronkhite
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 02:38 am |
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Counting on it. Pics in October for sure. Cheers, Jak
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Mike Shepherd
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 02:44 am |
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I currently have five French Brittanys. Before that a French Brittany, before that an English Setter, before that an English Pointer, and before that an English Pointer.
My Brittanys are all avid dead hunters, much better than my previous Setter and Pointers but not as good as the average Lab. I wish they had more range. The closest working dog seldom gets out further than 50 yards, the longest range dog goes out about 300 yards. They always stay in sight. They are heat resistant. Their fighting weights are 42, 34, 32, 30, and 27. They all live in the house with misbehaving, hormones, or the whims of Miss Ruth sending one or five out to the kennel now and then.
I field trial them in the off-season in NSTRA and they seem to be in the middle of the pack, placing in a field trail now and then. They are out of the box hunters and very intelligent.
I hunted about sixty days this season, about 50 days were for Bobwhites. The two closest working dogs make creditable pheasant dogs the 3 or 4 days I hunt pheasant. I also use them for retrievers during dove season.
I don't know how that Lab snuck into the picture - must have been a fresh cow patty in the cage.
Best,
Mike
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 03:05 am |
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Mike,
Are those boxing gloves on your dogs?
Bill
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Tom Bria
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Posted: Mon Mar 2nd, 2009 03:55 am |
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Mike, how do they handle the heat during dove season? Our first season is generally over 110 (sometimes way over).
Have you used them as duck retrievers? I only get one dog, and I'm looking for the all-purpose breed, not too big, and am leaning toward spaniels. No grouse hunting for us. It's doves, wild quail, sometimes pheasant and chukar (only wild), and lots of waterfowl. Goose retrieves are not a problem, because we seldom hit them.
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