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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:41 am |
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Hey Bill!
You bet!! Give me a day to find those pics (I'm in my house on my laptop - and need to move those saved pics to my servers, OK?)...
About the .410?? I'll start a new thread and post pics as well.. That little .410 is like a "wand" - and I think Scott, Pete and Bob up here (in NH) have tried it out on a round of skeet or two.. 
Full story coming up - just let me find the pics on my drives - and repost on my current servers, OK???
Best to you Bill...!!!
John
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:42 am |
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John, did I ever tell you how well that grip fits my hand? . . . like perfectly. . .
Oh, and the .410 fits me well too 
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John Dunkle
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:53 am |
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Dean Romig wrote: John, did I ever tell you how well that grip fits my hand? . . . like perfectly. . .
Oh, and the .410 fits me well too
And did I tell you how much I love your 16 Parker Hammer??? It is/was the first and only Parker hammer I've ever missed with (or - for that matter - ever shot!!) Dang - let's get together again and shoot these danged guns...!!!!
Dean - you are more than welcome to shoot anything in my collection... Including Grandpa's gun, the .410, the 20GA show gun, the.. Well - you get the idea 
It's what it is all about...!
Best to you!
John
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Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 02:13 am |
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I believe the young fella below is pointing vent/rib BHE #183562 mentioned earlier...
Best, CSL
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 11:49 am |
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| Yup, that's the gun.
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Austin W Hogan
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 12:16 pm |
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My regular club trap league gun is a VHE 170789 with a small Monte Carlo, and a BTFE of the same outline and checking pattern shown on the BHE above. It does not have a safety or a vent rib.
It is swamped to shoot to the point of aim; it is necessary to swing through a rising bird. This means that lead does not have to subtracted to hit a descending bird; the shooter picks his own lead. It is an exceptionally good gun for 27 yd protection.
The BTFE is given a full page in the pocket catalogs of the 1920's, and is called "The Trap Forend" Does this make a gun with a BTFE a "Trap Gun"?
We know of at least two PHE 32 inch TEN gauge guns with BTFE and ventilated rib; are these "Trap Guns" even though guns larger than 12 ga were not allowed in competition?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:34 pm |
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When did the ventilated rib (by any manufacturer) come on the shotgunning scene?It's purpose I believe is to minimize the visual distortion of heat waves, which can become quite heavy when shooting on a short squad or during doubles. Same for the BTFE, to keep hands away from hot barrels.
I am sure there were Parker's shooting trap, ordered and designed for shooting trap prior to these two features coming on the scene. I have a circa 1915 GH straight grip, 2" DAH with 30" tubes that I believe was a trap gun, and it sure works well when I use it for that game.
I tend to believe that people may have been slower to accept changes such as vent ribs back at the beginning of the 20th century.
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Chuck Bishop
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 04:59 pm |
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When John first posted a few years ago and related the story about his great grandfathers AAHE Parker, I replied back to John briefly about selling my grandfathers Parker, when I was young and foolish, and how lucky I was to be able to buy it back years later. I told John that I hoped he had the same opportunity to get it back as I did.
This year at the Parker banquet, I had the pleasure of talking to John and he related the entire saga of how he reacquired the AAHE and it truly was a heart-warming story. A Parker shotgun is more than just a finely made piece of metal and wood, especially if it has family history and memories attached. Somehow when your handling it, your back in touch with that long departed father, grandfather, or great grandfather.
John, you seem reluctant to name names so I won’t either, however, I do think your story would be great reading in the Parker Pages. Mr. Anonymous should be named, with his permission of course.
John, if you ever travel down here to Central Pa, It would be my pleasure to shoot a few rounds of trap with you.
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 06:21 pm |
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| It is a wonderful story about the sad loss of a true family heirloom Parker and years later becoming reunited with it. Some of us know the story and it reveals the fact that there are some wonderful, sensitive and honest members of our very strong PGCA. Maybe it is better if Mr. Anonymous remain anonymous (he is a true friend to all and generous nearly to a fault) so that whenever we look at one of our members or hear a member's name we will think "maybe it's him, what a nice guy" and see the good in everybody... which, of course, is in everybody.
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Austin W Hogan
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 08:05 pm |
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There is an "S3" listed as s/n 99186; it could be an error or a prototype. There is an S listed at 173803; the next S is an S5 at 177848. AAH 175049 could very well have been in the shop at the same time as the S and the S5. It may be that the single and double ventilated rib, btfe trap guns are fraternal twins.
Has anyone seen an SBT without a vent rib? Or with a splinter forend?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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| According to TPS, double trap guns started to be offered by Parker in 1923 and beavertail forends not until 1926 in their catalogues. My double trap #219984 was made in 1926. It is a 12 gauge DHE with pistol grip stock and 32 inch Titanic steel barrels both choked full. It has a Bradley red bead front sight and a ivory middle bead. The rib is hand engraved rather than roll stamped. An old original White-line recoil pad (hard and crumbling) that looks like its been on the gun since 1926. The beavertail forend is of the old type like that pictured in Fig. 9.16 on page of TPS. It also has the small flat area where the rib meets the frame. According to the serialization book it looks like the first production gun with a factory single trigger was #196938 made in 1921.
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Austin W Hogan
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 11:58 am |
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Tom; I have a buff cover pocket catalog, with price list dated April 21 1923 that lists single barrel trap guns, and offers the "Trap Model Fore - end for double barrel guns". BTFE can be ordered on new 12 ga guns, or fitted to existing guns including a new fore - end iron.
The catalog also includes the single trigger.
Best, Austin
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 02:48 pm |
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The lowest serial number I have found for a Trap Forend is 197098. The notation in the stock book is "large tip". It is a DHE with 32 inch barrels. I have spent some time looking for the lowest serial number on new guns and this is the lowest serial I have found. The gun was completed April 18, 1922.
Mark
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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| How soon after 197098 was shipped did Parker Bros. introduce the reinforcing screw for the Trap Forend? The date is probably in TPS in the chronology of Parker Bros. inventions but I am away from my set.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 03:23 pm |
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Dean, my guess would be the large tip had the rod.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 04:01 pm |
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Austin W Hogan wrote: BTFE can be ordered on new 12 ga guns, or fitted to existing guns including a new fore - end iron.
This would indicate the reinforcing screw or rod would be included as new iron, otherwise, would not be required. Was this taken directly from the catalog at the time if the introduction of the Trap Forend or at a later date? As I understood it, the reinforcing screw was a later modification after Parker Bros. found that the wood screws holding the iron to the wood were pulling out.
Dean
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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OK - I finally found the original scans of some of the pics I posted in the other thread..?? These are family pictures I have in my display and reloading areas - and are about 60 years old (the pictures - not me ), and are close to the way I remember them as a young child.
The first picture is of the gun cabinet along with some of his trophies. The AAHE sits in the center - you can see he always used the Beavertail rather than the splinter. While growing up and shooting it - I never recall the splinter mounted? Anyway - this was in a large room, and the doors opened up to a hallway.. His red leather chair sat close to in front of the display - and I used to sit on his lap and watch TV with him. Mostly westerns (those were Grandpa's favorite - and I'm partial to them to this day, and I'll always be thankful I had a special bond with him and my Grand-dad. That silly Parker has made it full circle for now 4 generations. It's a connection I can't explain - and if you have to ask, may not understand what that means..??) Anyway - his display in his Gun Room..
And a close up of the Parker and other firearms...
On the other side of the "gun room" as it was called - was his trophy case from trap events..
And some of the medals, watches and smaller awards...
Anyway - I just wanted to repost these for those who might be interested.. And - I'm still daunted by the folks who are "you" - which is "PGCA"...
John
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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My 170789 has the proper fore - end iron and the reinforcing rod. The checking pattern is the same as John's AAH and the BH shown.
S 173803 and AAH 175049 could very well have been in the shop together in 1916. This was at a time when the European sources of barrels were cut off, and Parker began to scramble to meet production. The note ... like trap... relative to S 173803 would be fresh in the maker's minds in either case.
The BTFE on the SxS is not like the forend of the SBT in appearance, but it is the same with respect to the fore - end iron and the reinforcing rod. Could it be that Parker had wood screwed beavertails on trap guns prior to this time?
I think there was an A 1S two barrel set trap gun that was made prior to WW I auctioned at Julia's a few years ago that had BTFE and vent rib on at least one barrel set. Does anyone remember?
Best, Austin
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 08:30 pm |
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John, that is a stunning display of a wonderful family heirloom. Thanks again for sharing with us. You still have the awards and trophies don't you?
Dean
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Posted: Thu Dec 18th, 2008 08:32 pm |
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John,What great set of pictures.Growing up in the 50,s was a great time.Your story about sitting with grandpa watching westerns made me think about how my dad would read to me till he was horse but would never tell me to go away.Its to bad that I only had him until I was seven years old.I guess thats why when my son came along I decided I would spend every minute I could with him.And I think its paying off...
John,Thanks for the memorys.....
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