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Eddie Gray
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:19 pm |
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hi
I saw in volume 15 winter Parker Pages on page 36 a dhe parker bevertail forearm single trigger vent rib, serial number 219984 is believed to be the oldest surving Parker in this form . I have a Parker dhe single trigger beavertail forearm vent rib with a straight stock and 32 inch barrells. The serial number 190836. per serial number it was made in 1920 and a trap gun . i noticed the dicusussion on trap parkers and i believe this makes the date a little earlier. eddie
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 01:31 pm |
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Eddie, if you don't already have a PGCA Research Letter you should get one. Next, you should get in touch with Austin Hogan, editor of Parker Pages to get it listed in order of serial number in "Parkers Found."
Can you post pictures of your trap gun?
Best, Dean
OOPS!! ... How quickly we forget ... Josh Loewensteiner is the new Associate Editor of the Parkers Found Department. Joshloew79@aol.com
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 02:11 pm |
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| Kevin McCormack's BHE vent rib gun is an early example. Maybe he will post the serial number. It may be pictured in Ed's new book.
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Christopher S. Lien
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 04:39 pm |
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The thread link below has some interesting information on a few early vent/rib Parkers...
Best, CSL
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:51 pm |
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Christopher S. Lien wrote: The thread link below has some interesting information on a few early vent/rib Parkers...
Best, CSL
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Wow - that thread is a blast from the past - and that single post I made in that thread in 2006 is one of the reasons I joined PGCA... As well - I see the pictures I posted back then are off line (my site was sold) so I'll try to edit my posts from back then and reconnect the pics with my posts.... Also, as a few folks know - some things have changed since my post in Dec 2006...
And - if you read that thread from 2006 - CSL was one of the many folks who convinced me that joining PGCA was the right thing to do.. Since then - I have a humble collection of these fine old shotguns... And got sucked into helping out with this Forum, the website and new website and test forum....
My best to all - especially a few of you here.. You know who you are.. Simply - to you folks - my sincerest thanks.....
John
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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John, we just wouldn't be the same PGCA without you. You are an inspiring "breath of fresh air." 
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 07:08 pm |
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Awww - dang - Thanks Dean.. I just make you real Parker collectors laugh every now and again with my posts.. That is - until you see me shoot - then you have another whole 'nuther reason to laugh at me..
Seriously though (well, not that I wasn't serious in my paragraph above?? ) - just back from Kansas with Charlie Herzog and some of Frank Sweeny's family folks. What a TERRIFIC time!! Anyway - it gave me a long time to share some ideas about PGCA with Charlie, and where he & I envision this organization going... It was a terrific exchange - and I will tell you - it is my belief that PGCA is just starting to unfold into all it can be...
For that - the current BOD has done an incredible job - and we owe them so much for building a solid foundation to this organization from which we (yes - you, the folks reading this post and those who just visit this Forum) can build upon...
As for me? I'm just "me".. I'll do whatever I can - humor, programming, supporting and hosting the new website - whatever?) - and I know you feel the same way..
Thanks Dean..!
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 08:59 pm |
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Bill Murphy wrote: Kevin McCormack's BHE vent rib gun is an early example. Maybe he will post the serial number. It may be pictured in Ed's new book.
My BHE is SN 183562. If memory serves me well, I think the earliest documented trap configuration Parker double gun has a SN in the 170XXX range. Also has a very distinctive "ripple grip" trigger guard tang, sort of like a pair of brass knuckles in shape. It was pictured in a DGJ article some years back that discussed earliest features on Parker Guns such as single triggers, vent ribs, ejectors, etc. KBM
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 09:09 pm |
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Kevin McCormack wrote: Bill Murphy wrote: Kevin McCormack's BHE vent rib gun is an early example. Maybe he will post the serial number. It may be pictured in Ed's new book.
My BHE is SN 183562. If memory serves me well, I think the earliest documented trap configuration Parker double gun has a SN in the 170XXX range. Also has a very distinctive "ripple grip" trigger guard tang, sort of like a pair of brass knuckles in shape. It was pictured in a DGJ article some years back that discussed earliest features on Parker Guns such as single triggers, vent ribs, ejectors, etc. KBM Deja vu - again.!!!.
The serial number is actually: 175049
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Also - I think my great grand-dad had not "brass knuckles" in mind - but rather a grip fit to his hand... 
Best to ya' Kevin!!
John
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Eddie Gray
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 09:20 pm |
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so if parker brothers retro fitted some guns with vent ribs
would they have marked them on the flats as having done so
thanks eddie
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Correct Parker vent ribs have the last three numbers of the SN stamped under the rib between the second and third support posts. Parker vent ribs pre Ilion had the Parker name roll stamped on the rib top surface. Parker vent ribs also had the usual Parker wavy line matting which stopped before the muzzle end.
There are Parkers with non original or non factory installed Moneymaker or Simmons vent ribs. Those are pretty easy to identify. Simmons did lots of them, unfortunately.
Suggest you look at TPS about them.
And no, there would be no barrel flats markings that would say anything about a vent rib. At most, there might be a Rem repair date code if work was done by Remington.
If any new people who didn't know the rest of the story clicked on the thread about John Dunkle's great-grandfather's gun, John has since been reunited with it, and it was quite the story and quite the occasion. There weren't very many dry eyes around.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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thanks bruce
have parker name on the the rib and the stop line
but can,t see a serial number under the rib between the rib posts
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 10:00 pm |
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| Kind of need a dentist's mirror to see it. Sounds like a correct Parker rib. See Noreen's post about original or retro fit Parker vent ribs and the difference in shape of the frame top.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 10:03 pm |
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Eddie,Also on factory original vent rib gun there was a subtle difference on the frame in the area where the rib meets the frame.Original vent rib frame the area between the breach balls was flat and on factory refitted vent rib guns this area had the shallow radius the is seen on most concave rib guns,Just another way to tell if the gun left the gun works with a vent rib or not.
Dave...
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Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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jack p has or had a text book double trap 12 VHE on his site.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 12:15 am |
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When the gun John Dunkle is describing surfaced a few years ago, several of us researched the order book entry for that gun. There is a brief entry about the barrel which was approximatly "like trap gun" or "like new trap" or "like single trap" that we concluded meant "ventilated rib". We concluded that was the earliest entry relative to a ventilated rib on a side by side; but another can always emerge.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 12:57 am |
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Hmm... I guess I should post a picture of my great-grandfathers Parker AAHE (with what Kevin describes as brass knuckles ).
Below is a pic - just sitting above my .410 Parker.. As I read this thread, I think Grandpa would be a little proud and - as well - a little shy about making his AAHE a cornerstone in Parker collecting, as I am as well.
But, as Austin said - there may be another one out there earlier than my great grandfathers Parker, so it is "what it is", and for that - that's all there is....
Anyway, here is a quick pic of that Parker I took last year at one of our regional events...
John
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:09 am |
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| Them there are some great guns John Last edited on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:10 am by Dave Suponski
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:30 am |
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Dave Suponski wrote: Them there are some great guns John Hey Dave...
My thanks.. But - you know what? As Bruce said earlier - if you'd been at an event a few years ago when that danged AAHE and I were reunited. Well, it was a wonderful event..
But - that is to the credit of one person in PGCA - who just wanted to do something that few would ever do... And for the support of folks like Bruce - who simply what collecting and family is all about...
Dang - I love my Parkers... And I love most my great grandfathers Parker. What is that saying? "Something lost - something gained"??? I take it out and just look at it, when I'm not shooting it. And just have to look at it - and remember.. And get overwhelmed with memories of Grandpa, his leather chair, his gun cabinet, my grandfather, my Mom shooting it for the first time ever a year ago.. But - those are personal memories. They are just mine. My memories.
And they all have to do with a single Parker. Or now - again "my" Parker. To the credit of someone here - on this forum - who is a friend today and will be in the future. For that - I suspect Grandpa would be pleased that his Parker brought two guys together who share a passion for hunting and Parkers - and a sincere friendship.
Maybe that friend will post back in this thread - I dun'no..?
And to all of you?
Thanks for letting me share my passion and my enthusiasm here - in PGCA...
It's what it's all about... At least in my world...
John
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:32 am |
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| Now John can tell us about the little .410, serial number and all. John, can you repost the photos of the gun cabinet and all that are gone from the old thread?
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