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RICHARD L ANDERSON
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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Yes I would agree. The .410 is unforgiving, but for me thats part of the appeal. I like the .410 and the 28 both for clay targets and hunting although I admit to using the .410 on preserve birds mostly.
You either hit em or miss em with the four hundered and ten .
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:44 pm |
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If I had a 10 bore with open chokes I'd load up 1 5/8 of #8 and give them a go. Anybody got an old set of sawed off 10 gauge tubes? I'll have them fitted to my gun and let the experiments begin.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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| Come to Duluth and I'll bring the 10ga barrels from my 12/10 Bernard and dam CH set. The 10's are 26", light and IC and IC. But you are going to be down in Argentina chasing senoritas. Next thing we know you will be living down there full time in a small house by the bird fields with some 25 year old dark eyed senorita to cook and attend to you. How boring can that be?
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Destry Hoffard
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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If I had the funds I'd have me a place south of the border somewhere that's certain.
No Duluth for me, gotta save my pennies to pay the upcoming cartridge bill for this trip.
Destry
P.S. If we're gonna dream let's make her a nice plump 18 year old.
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Fred Preston
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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| Don't forget the rug rats.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| Destry, studies have shown that females in their late teens are the most fertile. And you know those Latin girls want mucho ninos y ninas.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 10:44 pm |
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That's why the same week I bought the place I'd go get clipped. *wink*
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Tom Flanigan
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 04:36 am |
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Bill Murphy wrote: Dean, my Dad knew all the D.C. area great white hunters, like Bob Ruark and Jon Hall. He socialized with and attended events with them but never shot anything more dangerous than a PA ringneck or a Lower Potomac River Canvasback. Like father like son, I guess.
Bill....is this the Ramah of the Jungle Jon Hall?
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sat Jun 28th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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| Yes, Tom, Jon and my Dad were good buddies, but I never heard of Dad actually going bird hunting with him. Washington was a small town in the fifties and early sixties as you probably know. I wonder if any Ramar of the Jungle episodes are in syndication? In those days, Ruark was living in D.C. and writing a column for the Washington Daily News. I wonder who has those columns in their archives? According to Dad, many of his columns addressed the perils of commuting to Lower Northwest via Connecticut Avenue. Ruark must have lived in Chevy Chase or Upper Northwest. I'll ask my Parker buddy AJ who is 92, lives in Chevy Chase, and probably knew Ruark. By the way, how about lunch with my buddy and me some time soon. He's a setter guy, but at 92, I fixed him up with a fat Golden more to his speed. Forgive me, I don't like them either, but matching personalities is important. Last edited on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 09:14 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 02:49 am |
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Here are some of a rare PHE .410 photos that were sent to me earlier this week. Note the pictures of the arrow fletches on the barrels.
Greg...
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Sun Jun 29th, 2008 03:11 am |
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Holy Grail to be sure. EDM called the .410 PH "the rarest of the rare" in his book Parker Guns the Old Reliable.
So, the fletching appears to be hand engraved while the rest of the wording is roll stamped. . . ??
Cyannide coloring on a 1927 gun? Is it original or redone? Hey, wait a minute, 222004 is from one of the missing books . . . hmmmm . . .
Beautiful gun. Wish it was mine 
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Jun 30th, 2008 12:52 pm |
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Yes, the SN is missing but so are the SN's of many others. This gun has been shown around and and carefully examined. I think its the only known P 410.
The arrows look normal to me. I have a 1921 P 16 and they look the same.
The P 410 was re case colored by the cyanide process not by the DelGregos and against the advise of the DelGregos by a past owner trying to fluff it up for resale. Since then the present owner was able to have the colors muted so that the gun now looks better than in the old photos and much more like original. The follow on photos show the gun as it is now.
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Tom Flanigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 03:29 pm |
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Bill Murphy wrote: I'll ask my Parker buddy AJ who is 92, lives in Chevy Chase, and probably knew Ruark. By the way, how about lunch with my buddy and me some time soon.
I'd love to have lunch with you and your buddy. I have been pretty much out of the loop lately....buried with work and traveling. I haven't had a chance do do much of anything fun. But if you can set something up, let me know.
If I recall correctly, Jon Hall committed suicide in the late 70s. What a shame.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:01 pm |
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| Yeah, I remember vaguely something about Jon Hall's demise. What was the name of his partner on the show? By the way, haven't heard anything about the hammer gun from my gunsmith. I'm sure it won't be long now.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:26 pm |
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| Yeah, skinny guy with a British accent, big Adam's apple and a parrot on his shoulder. . . what the heck was his name??
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Charlie Price
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:18 pm |
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| I was asked to help evaluate a PH .410 some years ago at the Louisville show; this may be the same gun but I don't recall the serial except that it was in a missing book. It was IMHO a pretty good fake. The rib marking was the giveaway -- look at p. 588 of TPS and compare the roll die marks for VULCAN and PARKER steel -- the second E in the word STEEL for VULCAN barrels is larger and distinctively different than the same in PARKER Steel. The arrows show some differences also. We were comparing the .410 with VH and PH guns of the same vintage when we decided it was incorrect because the E was the same as on VULCAN barrels. I can't make out this detail from Greg's pictures here. Note that VULCAN and PARKER both have six letters which makes it easier to alter that word. I can't recall the asking price of the PH .410 but it was high. Charlie
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:59 pm |
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There are a couple of P Grade .410 upgrades out there. DelGrego admits to making at least one of them. I don't know whether someone else may have made one also. Ron Gabriel mentions the serial numbers of the P Grade .410s that are known to be original, but does not list the numbers of the ones he knows to be upgrades. Gabriel says that Leon Kelly had five of his upgrades done by Runge, but doesn't confirm that one of them was a P Grade.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:23 pm |
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| Here is PHE 16/28 SN 194.859, which I have had for many years. Note the rib "Parker Steel" Attached Image (viewed 179 times):
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:25 pm |
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Here is the PHE 410. I could not get the photo to save when I incresed the size, but a person can save it themselves, then increase the size as they choose.
It looks the same as SN 194,859 to me.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:26 pm |
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| Another of SN 194,859 Attached Image (viewed 180 times):
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