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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 01:52 am |
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Hey Andersong, I wouldn't think of it 
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 01:00 pm |
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| Dean, my Dad knew all the D.C. area great white hunters, like Bob Ruark and Jon Hall. He socialized with and attended events with them but never shot anything more dangerous than a PA ringneck or a Lower Potomac River Canvasback. Like father like son, I guess.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 01:13 pm |
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Angel Cruz wrote: Here`s a nice 410 if you don`t mind it being refurbished...http://www.ivorybeads.com/site/default.asp?Page=54&FSL3_SL_8=parker&FSL3_RUNSEARCH=TRUE&FSID3=2500
At $25,000 for a VH 410, its only $2,500 per oz of less gun weight more than the price of a comparable VH 20ga. Or the savings in lead shot costs going from 7/8oz in the 20ga to 1/2 oz in the .410 costs $6,666 per 1/8ounce.
Boys, I'm telling you, that Limited Edition Red Ryder small smallbore is an absolute bargain at $12,000. I don't know how much longer I can hold the price down. Last edited on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:53 pm by Bruce Day
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Angel Cruz
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:04 pm |
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| When you put it on those terms it does'nt look as nice...
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:06 pm |
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| To simplify Bruce's equations that address the savings in shot load versus cost of a .410 Parker, I offer my brief solution. At $40.00 a bag, the shot savings realized by shooting a 1/2 ounce .410 load instead of a 1 ounce 12 or 16 gauge load will pay for a $25,000 high condition VH Grade .410 Parker in only 100,000 rounds loaded and fired, assuming other components are roughly the same price. Assuming I shoot maybe four rounds of skeet each Saturday and Sunday, I could have paid for my imaginary high condition VH .410 in less than ten years. There must be something wrong with my math, because I've been shooting skeet since 1958. I could own five .410 Parkers by now, just on the savings on shot! Where did I go wrong?
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:11 pm |
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| Bill, You didn't factor in all those Saturdays and Sundays you are gone to gun shows and not shooting those rounds of Skeet.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 02:14 pm |
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| Oh, I see what I did wrong. I dropped a zero from my calculation of number of bags of shot expended to save $25,000. At $20 a bag saved, I need to use 1250 bags of shot, not 125 bags. The actual expenditure of rounds fired is "One Large" or a million, not "One Medium", which is 100,000.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 03:41 pm |
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| Bill, so if you are 65 now, I calculate that it would take you 192 years at 100 rounds per week to make up the difference in lead shot costs, you will only be 257 years old when you break even. You probably should have started a few years earlier.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 04:00 pm |
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| Actually, I am only 62, so there is still a chance, although I'm not shooting as much as I did a few years ago. However, I bought my little VHE Skeet when they were cheap, so I'm not too worried about finding that elusive little VH.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 09:19 pm |
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| Forget about all the cutesy mistique and esoteric appeal of owning a Parker .410 - all it takes is money, and plenty of it! I counted out the hundred dollar bills for my first one in the back of an SUV in the parking lot of an also-ran gunshop in outside Winchester, VA. ( It was surpising how little time it took). The broker (not the owner) I paid was on his way to the racetrack for the weekend. I told him to make damn sure he didn't "co-mingle" funds! When I counted out the 100's for my second one on the top of a wooden nail keg behind one of the main tents at the Vintagers, the wind kept blowing them down the outer fairway - we needed more stones! (The 2nd one took a LONG time!) Sort of reminded me of the last scene in "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", where the bandidos hacked open the bags of gold and the wind scattered it back up into the mountains from whence it had come (All I could do was watch them go!). KBM
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Jun 24th, 2008 12:14 am |
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| I am privy to the information about the third McCormack .410 transaction that was not much different from the first two he illustrated. Yes, all it takes is money, and no one that I am aware of has ever lost money on one, even in a falling market. I am looking for one now.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 02:31 am |
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It's the looking thats important to keep oneself grounded in the belief that when one is found the "Banker" will be a friendly sort and even better perhaps a gun fancier and approve the loan. Hopefully the Postman won't herniate a disc in the delivery of the payment book.
Bill do you think the grouse "owe you money" and thats the need for using enough gun with the 10 bore??
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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| Rich, my favorite ten bore bird gun weighs exactly four ounces more than my VHE .410 Skeet.
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RICHARD L ANDERSON
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 01:21 pm |
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40z more than the 410 skeet??? that just sounds painfull. Does it have 20 inch bbls and no choke?
AHH the .410 skeet gun, my ultimate of Holy Grails in the world of Parkerdom.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 01:34 pm |
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RICHARD L ANDERSON wrote: 40z more than the 410 skeet??? that just sounds painfull. Does it have 20 inch bbls and no choke?
AHH the .410 skeet gun, my ultimate of Holy Grails in the world of Parkerdom.
Then you must come to New Hampshire on July 19 where John Dunkle will be glad to tease you with his. John let me shoot a round of skeet with it . . . a .410 is very unforgiving. . . 
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 02:03 pm |
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| Rich, the little ten is 26", about modified and full. I did get a 1 5/8 ounce Super-X load mixed in with my light loads one day while shooting skeet. It was a mistake I won't make again. All I shoot in it now is 1 1/8 ounce RSTs. With #5 or #6 shot, the RST shells will kill a pheasant at 45 yards with these chokes.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 02:47 pm |
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| Bill, I seem to recall another discussion on your light ten a while back. If I remember, it is not a Parker, correct?
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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| Yup, it's a 1907 J.P. Sauer, Krupp barrel boxlock. However, I do have a 7 1/2 pound #2 frame ten gauge DH. On this subject, at least one 12 gauge Parker was ordered at 6 pounds. I haven't examined the stock book entry to see how light that gun really came out when finished.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26th, 2008 11:40 pm |
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Dean,
I'm looking for sponsor money from Mr Dunkel (AKA JD...He must not know JD stands for Jack Daniels .)
Eric has a lovely VHE .410 skeet that he lets me use on occasion both at skeet and in the field. Its truly a great gun that fits like a glove and I shoot it well. I hope he brings it for our shoot on Sat.
When I shot registered skeet my .410 score were better than the 12's. I think I concentrated more with the .410. IF you shoot it the targets will come.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 12:12 am |
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Ya Know, Rich, I was just talking with Dave last night and I'll have to agree with his philosophy on shooting the .410. . . "it forces you to concentrate on the leading edge of the target, then when you shoot a larger gauge like a sixteen or a twelve it is almost hard to miss." You just can't get sloppy with a .410, it's just too unforgiving.
Wouldn't you agree Rich?
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