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 Posted: Sat Apr 12th, 2008 11:49 pm

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Andy was not involved with Roy and Dale unless I missed something.  Pat Brady was Roy's sidekick and nemesis in the later days of the series.  It's Clarence "Frogman" Henry by the way.  Andy Devine had many more secondary parts than the "sidekick" role to Guy Madison's Wild Bill Hickock character.  I can't remember what they were, but someone will let us know.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 12:01 am

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Here you go boys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Devine



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 Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 12:40 am

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Clarence "Frogman" Henry was a singer, but I don't think he was anyone's sidekick.

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Thanks guys, and Destry thanks for that site.  The next thing I knew I was watching clips from "The Red Badge of Courage".  I'm going to have to see that flick.  Looks good.  Audie Murphy, the only actor to learn his craft on the battlefield, I like that.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 01:02 am

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From Destry's Wikipedia site, linked to the Froggy the Gremlin fan site.

http://www.froggythegremlin.com/

Some of you guys may find this useful:

If the frog is soft but deflated, you can pry open his squeaker and insert filler to puff him back out, you can, you can. It takes some time but it can be done.


 

The Froggy afficianados are also concerned about when and how to restore your prized possession, and whether it hurts the resale value:

Purists will tell you that any restoration destroys the re-sale value. Not necessarily the case. The rule here is to judge if what you'll do is going to improve Froggy. As you see from the pix above, it was better to glue him together and open his mouth than leave him flat!

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 Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 01:03 am

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For classic Andy Devine start with "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".  Great movie.

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They neglect to mention Jingles' full name was, in his own words "Jingles P Jones, at your service, ma'am."

Yes, that is the original Froggy who plunked his magic twanger, "Boioioioing, Hi-ya kids, hi-ya, hi-ya, hi-ya!" Thanks Destry.

Gabby Hayes was one of my favorites and I had a Gabby Hayes fishing rod that came in it's own metal tube with Gabby Hayes scenes all over it. And, No, it wasn't bamboo. ;)

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The other "Frog" was Smiley "Frog" Burnette, Gene Autrey's sidekick.

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Jingles was fun, but my favorites were sponsored by Butternut Bread ... The Cisco Kid played by Duncan Renaldo and his trusty side kick Pancho played by Leo Carrillo. Leo could trace his ancestory all the way back to the Spanish Conquistadores.  All of us lost something important when the "golden age" of TV westerns ended and we could no longer find the line between good and evil.:cool:

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They all slowly but eventually became politically incorrect. But somehow the other TV family shows were phased out too. The ones with family values like Father Knows Best, Lassie, The Nelsons, My Three Sons, to name a few, were replaced by shows that were in keeping with the times, shows I wouldn't let my children watch when all their friends were allowed to. I don't know, call me "old fashioned" but in the "old days" we didn't have to worry about what our kids were learning while we weren't in the room supervising the TV show selection. It's all behind us now. The damage is done. The innocence of youth has forever been corrupted by the "Tube." Anyone who allows the Tube to babysit their kids today will reap as they have sown. :(

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Timothy Sheldon:  I don't know about Audie Murphy being the only battlefield actor.  I'm sure I'll miss a few and would appreciate any other names.  David Niven was a commando and graduated Sandhurst.  Lee Marvin was a marine on Iwo Jima.  James Arness hit the beach at Anzio and Charle Durning got the Silver Star in WW II.  Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable and others took their lumps as well.

I heard once that Audie Murphy stood trial for attempted murder.  The testimony was that the other guy was threatening him and Murphy just wanted to be left alone so he shot his rifle way over the guys head.  It was out in Colorado and he was only a short distance from the other man.  Murphy testified that he didn't attempt to kill the guy because if he had wanted him dead he would have killed him.  The jury agreed.  I have always wondered if that was a true story.

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This talk of Audie Murphy brings to mind an incredible encounter I had while showing an out of town friend our local aircraft museum while it was closed this winter. The security guard came around to check us out and he turned out to have quite a family story. His uncle was the second most decorated soldier in WWII behind Audie M. He, his father, and two brothers served in the military. One of his brothers took out 247 bad guys with a .50cal at the gates of the US compound when the Tet offensive started. They found him at his gun with 17 holes in him. This guard himself had served 3 tours in Viet Nam in Special Forces, then served in the first Gulf War, then just when he was 59 and kicking, back his old CO called him and said his best guy got killed and that he 'needed him' in Iraq for this current conflict. He went and rode around in a Tank taking buildings apart with a .50 cal for two years and came home at 61 and is a security guard here in Fairbanks so he can be near his son who is a local helicopter pilot. He told a great story of taking over on the controls of a Huey and landing in VNam when the pilot got killed. I was stunned and totally humbled listening to this fellow. I felt I didn't deserve to be in the same room with such a guy. Guys like that are what keep us free and speaking English. Wish I could remember his name. The fellow with me is a retired USAF KC97 tanker pilot and he didn't even mention his service as we profusely thanked this guy and his family for their service.

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Great stuff Richard, truly great stuff. I can't imagine the nerve it must take to be someone like him - to do what he has done.

What is the KC97 pilot's name? I work for a retired USAF pilot, Stutz Plaisted, who flew most of the big birds the USAF had back then. Maybe they know each other.

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Dean: Dick Campbell. He lives in Oshkosh Wisconsin now. Not sure when he flew but he did the routes to Europe through Greenland and has some good stories of that. He's a very busy volunteer for the EAA museum and for the big airshow each year. He still keeps in touch with some of his pilot compadres at occasional reunions.

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Richard:  There is a soldier named Matt Urban who gets lost in the shuffle and I think he actually tied or exceeded Audie Murphey for battlefield decorations.

My friend and neighbor is Russell Dunham and I get a lot of old history stories from him.  He was a sergeant in Patton's Army.  He received his medal of honor from General Patch who awarded Murphy his.  Russ also has the Distinguished Service Cross, a Silver Star with 2 oak leafs, a Bronze Star with an oak leaf and a V on it and the Croix de Guerre with Palm and he has the multi colored rope for a French unit citation when he took a town and three Purple Hearts.   

It is very humbling to be in his presence.  He's 88, sharp as a tack and is getting ready to put in his garden (1/2 acre of vegtables) plus an orchard.

He can tell stories about drinking and visiting at MOH functions with Murphy, whom he liked, Commando Kelly, whom he liked, a friend of his who was a teenage hero at San Juan Hill and then held a medal of honor over 80 years until he died at 99 in the early 80s.  He knows James Arness and teases him about being too big of target at Anzio where the actor got his Purple Heart. 

Russ once told me that in 61' at the centennial of the MOH the MOH recipients chose Desmond Doss as the man most exemplifying the qualities of the MOH.  "Doss was our representative to Congress and the President. "  If you google these names you can read their citations. 

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Get all the stories while you can Brad. My principal source of stories up here come from a Cold Weather test pilot who flew P38's and P51's on skis up here during WWII. Last year he had a few small strokes and is now in another dimension in our pioneer home and barely knows where he is or who any of us are. Heart breaking to see him. I've never known anyone with a memory like his and it all went away in one day.

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Richard Your right about that, I bought a radioshack digital recorder and am just going to let Russ ramble. Don't even mention John Wayne to him, that's a sore subject.  Russ's brother was his second in the platoon.  Russ's brother won all the same medals Russ did except the medal of honor but he had 5 purple hearts.  Russ said my brother felt bad after the war about not getting the MOH because he couldn't go to some of the functions with me.

The most unusual medal Russ has is an Iron Cross.  After the war he single handedly put down a riot in Germany (one man, one riot) and the Mayor of Munich awarded him the Iron Cross.

Its written in the history of the 3rd Division that Patton was ordered to take a town in 24 hours and he wired back, "I took it yesterday".  Patton then asked an aide how did we get the town and the aide said "the Dunham boys have been out raising hell again".

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Wow. Impressive. And to think that these guys are scattered amongst us and don't make a big thing of it. They mostly seem to think that they were "just doin' their job" and wonder why anyone would think any differently of it.

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Here's another hero of the same conflict.

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Fred:  You gotta love Bill Mauldin.  If those guys and gals aren't the best generation we ever had they'll do until the best shows up and they saved western civilization to boot.


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