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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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Does anyone have the realized price list from that Julia auction? I would like to know what the L. L. Bean Parker hammered at.
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James P. Brown, Jr.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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| $20,700.00
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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Thank you Mr. Brown.
Does that include Jim Julia's cut?
And do we know if Mr. Chadick has since sold it?
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James T. Kucaba
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:04 pm |
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James ... When sale prices are posted on the Julia Auctions website after an auction they include the Julia's 15% buyers penalty so the hammer price on the gun would have been $18,000.00 ... So Julia's cut was $2,700.00 from the buyer ... And they got another 15% in commission, or $2700.00, from the seller ... So Julia's total cut was $5,400.00 from the sale of that particular gun.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:07 pm |
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I work for an auction house but apparently not the right one.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:35 pm |
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| So the seller who commissioned Julia's to auction the gun actually received $15,300. Right?
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:35 pm |
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| So anyway, has Mr. Chadick sold it?
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James T. Kucaba
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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Dean Romig wrote: So the seller who commissioned Julia's to auction the gun actually received $15,300. Right?
Yes ... The seller received $15,300,00
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Angel Cruz
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 06:49 pm |
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Jim, you guys probably mention it before but what grade and gauge was it? What kind of condition was it in? Thanks..
Angel..
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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Sales from the last couple of Julia's gun auctions have ranged from 8-12 million. I would think 30% of that would make anyone smile.
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James P. Brown, Jr.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 06:54 pm |
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The number I posted did come from the Julia web site. If I remember correctly Mr. Chadick had the gun listed on his web site some time back for $25000.00. I don't know if he sold it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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| Chaddick now has a AAHE 12 that he claims was owned by Robert Stack. I don't recall seeing that gun in the Stack estate sale at Littlejohn's. Does anyone know anything about that particular gun?
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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Little johns
http://littlejohnsauctionservice.com/photo_galleries/robstack_gallery/index.html
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Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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I think that this particular gun is provenanced to Bob Stack "by attribution only", if you know what I mean. Just like Andy Devine's "Jingles" jacket, only the curator knows that it was ever really worn by Andy, as testified by the man to whom Andy gave it as a child - WOM attibution only (WOM being word of mouth).
Like Max Fleischmann, who owned dozens of Parkers, NOT all of them bearing his name or initials, lacking a name or initials in the stock escuteon puts this gun in the WOM provenance category, sort of like "I knew a guy that knew a guy who ran around with his brother".....you get my drift.
I was widely rumored and believed that Bob Stack had a large collection of Parkers. When I was actively corresponding with Bob about the history of early CA duck clubs, he told me on the phone one night, "I have three good Parkers. There is a little DHE .410 that I bought off the rack at Kerr's in Beverly Hills just after the war because it was so damned cute. Then there is the DHE 20 gauge, which I requested A-Grade quality wood for the stock from Remington, which they gladly did, then there is my best of all my Parker guns, the little BHE 28 gauge skeet, custom made for me by Remington."
(Interesting sidebar: When Bob won the 20 ga. National Junior Skeet Championship in the late 1930's , first prize was an L.C. Smith SxS. Always having wanted a high-grade Parker smallbore skeet gun, Bob contacted Remington to talk trade-in value of the Smith against what became his BHE 28 skeet gun. There is a great picture of Bob holding the BHE 28 in a feature story in Shooting Sportsman Magazine some years back, relating the details of the first-ever Vintagers-related West Coast Vintage Doubles Concours and Shooting Competition).
I believe all of the 3 guns I mentioned above were listed in Littlejohn's auction catalog when Bob's estate was settled. I have never heard of nor have I ever seen a AAHE 12 gauge attributed to Bob. I would be very interested in knowing of any bona fide documentation or provenance showing it to be one of his shooting guns.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 01:03 am |
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Angel Cruz wrote: Jim, you guys probably mention it before but what grade and gauge was it? What kind of condition was it in? Thanks..
Angel..
The L. L. Bean Parker is a No. 1-frame sixteen gauge CHE with 26" Acme Steel barrels choked Full/Mod with double ivory beads and a Parker SST, pistol grip and splinter forend. It is listed in the March 13, 2007 Julia catalog as being in "very fine condition" and "does not appear to have been refinished." Surprisingly, the estimated auction value range was (25,000-40,000). . . so much for 'provenance' 
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 01:05 am |
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| Thanks Dean...
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 03:01 am |
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Dean Romig wrote: Angel Cruz wrote: Jim, you guys probably mention it before but what grade and gauge was it? What kind of condition was it in? Thanks..
Angel..
The L. L. Bean Parker is a No. 1-frame sixteen gauge CHE with 26" Acme Steel barrels choked Full/Mod with double ivory beads and a Parker SST, pistol grip and splinter forend. It is listed in the March 13, 2007 Julia catalog as being in "very fine condition" and "does not appear to have been refinished." Surprisingly, the estimated auction value range was (25,000-40,000). . . so much for 'provenance'
Provenance is a weird thing isnt it? I think that it all depends, even more in our, shall I say "under developed" double gun market. (look at provenance with the civil war Colts(crazy if you ask me!)) The Max Fleischman A1 special obviously didnt bring as much as the Czar's A1 special, but there are obvious reasons as to why. The Czar's gun was very "hyped" up, and it has a much more interesting past than the Fleishmans A1. They were both very nice, both A1 Specials, yet one closed quite a bit higher than the other simply because of what it was. Out of curiousity, did the Babe Ruth L. C. Smith ever sell for much? Either way, I think it all depends on the gun and its history, which is why we often see guns with no provenance sell for more than guns with provenance.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 03:35 am |
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Provenance indeed! I can just see 100 yrs into the future when my 0-grade hammer gun is held aloft by some auctioneer at a prestigous east coast auction house and bellering out "this is it folks, the Parker that rejuvenated the long lost tradition of shooting the outhouse, who'll start the bidding off at $150,000?!".... Wish I could be there!
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James T. Kucaba
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 06:15 am |
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It would be way too small for me, so I don't know why I'd want it, but I sure would like to own Mr. Stack's shooting jacket with all the patches ... Does anyone know what it sold for ?
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Posted: Fri Apr 11th, 2008 11:21 am |
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| Dick Shaughnessey's may have been even more decorated with patches than Bob Stack's.
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