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Tom Carter
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 10:00 pm |
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| Does anyone have a source for Remington 10 Gauge Hulls? I want to reload 10 gauge shells using Sherman Bell's data but cannot find Remington 10 Gauge Hulls. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tom
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 10:44 pm |
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Tom,
About the only thing in plentiful supply are the Federal Hulls. I picked up about 500 off ebay. Some had been in the water I suspect, but they load great. Fact is I have three Parker 10's now and am in production of those shells. Do yourself a favor and order some 12 gauge SrpedR http://www.precisionreloading.com disk with the holes in them. These old Parkers are tight as all you know what and if you are shooting a few clays, it is great to have something that will give you an open pattern. When I am loading 1 1/8 oz of shot and it calls for 1/4" of 16 gauge wad in the SP 10 I just put an over powder card instead and push the SpredR in before I take the hull out of the charging station.
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 11:04 pm |
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| Hi Harry, Thanks for the reply. I have the Federal hulls and will reload some of them as soon as I get the rest of the components I need. I'll try the spreaders you recommend. I also want to try the one ounce loads with the Remington hulls Bell recommends. That is if I can find some Remington hulls. Cheers, Tom
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Wed Oct 24th, 2007 11:33 pm |
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| Hi Harry, I just looked at the Spreader inserts you mentioned. How do they effect the crimp? It seems the shell would not crimp correctly with the inserts. They must work OK but I just can't picture the crimp folding down into the shot with the inserts in place. Cheers, Tom
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 02:09 am |
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Tom,
Most of these 10 gauge loads require a 16 gauge filler of sorts inserted into the plastic wad. Just reduce this insert by half and you are good to go with the SpredR. They do not make 10 gauge SpredR, but the 12 gauge works fine in the 10. When reloading the 12 gauge you just jump to one size larger in the wad. Say you are shooting a 1 oz load using a WWSL wad. Use to the WWAA wad and there will be enough room for the SpredR.
As far as the 1 oz 10 gauge loads I guess they would work fine. The 1 1/8 oz load is so light a recoil in my heavy 10's I hardly know I am shooting them at 1129 fps and 4800 psi. I have shot a round of sporting clays with 1 1/4 oz loads at 1195 fps and 5800 psi in the light #2 frame 10 and found it was all I wanted and promised myself that I wouldn't do it again.
I use an 11 gauge over shot card on all other star crimped 10 gauge shells that are not SpredR equipped. They yield a much better crimp.
Harry
Last edited on Thu Oct 25th, 2007 02:12 am by Harry Collins
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David Lien
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 02:57 am |
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Tom: A couple of years ago I bought 1000 Rem 10 Ga. 3 1/2 in. once fired emptys from Bucks Run in Pine Island Mn. Ph # 1-800-274-0403 The Hulls were about half steel and half lead. The hulls are now on there second time around, and still look good shooting 3 1/2 in. 1 7/8 oz lead loads. They may be out now, however they will have some more come spring. Good luck
David Lien
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 03:03 am |
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| Hi David, Thanks for the information. I'll call them tomorrow. Cheers, Tom
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 03:03 am |
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| Hi David, Thanks for the information. I'll call them tomorrow. Cheers, Tom
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paul harm
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 08:13 pm |
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| They are out of Remington hulls now, but http://www.precisionreloading.com carries Remington and Federal 10ga hulls. Also see 8ga listed. I just ordered the Federal hulls, item # FD10RHP and they come primed. Their phone #- I-800-223-0900. Don't know if this will help - Paul
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Thu Oct 25th, 2007 09:18 pm |
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| Thanks Paul. Cheers, Tom
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 01:18 am |
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Tom,
If you order the new 10 gauge Federal primed hulls, be sure to de-prime them as they certainly are not WW209's and you don't know what they are. With shotgun shells the primers will make a tremendous difference in pressure! Be careful and follow the receipt exactly.
Harry
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 01:32 am |
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| Hi Harry, I have Federal 10 gauge hulls I can use for some reloads but I don't have any data for 1 ounce loads in Federal hulls. I have data for Remington 1 ounce loads. I'll punch out the primers as soon as I get my press set up. I'm waiting for parts for the short kit. I bought a kit but it was missing parts and MEC is sending them. I have a Versa-Mec 700 I'm converting. It's old but in good shape. Pre-1982 model. Cheers, Tom
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 12:07 pm |
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Tom,
I am not trying to dissuade you from getting the Remington Hulls, but it occurred to me that a Federal Hull with a 1/2" (or a little less) 16 gauge wad in an SP10 wad should give you the correct space with 30 gr of 7625 and 1 oz of shot. I shouldn't think the pressure would be to far off the 4800 psi for this load using 1/4" 16 ga wad and 1 1/8 oz of shot.
Harry
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 12:24 pm |
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| Hi Harry, I was thinking the same thing and may send some of those loads to Tom Armbruster for pressure testing. I'm surprised Sherman Bell didn't do a one ounce in the Federal hull. Cheers, Tom
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 12:47 pm |
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Tom,
I received a list of the shells that Bell had tested and it was about four pages. Many, many more than in the DGJ. I bet you could multiply this data by 100 and still not covered all the combinations. Wow, it boggles the mind.
Harry
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Leighton Stallones
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 03:00 pm |
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I have been loading my 10's on a MEC set up for the 3 1/2 shells. However it is too
tall to crimp them and i am having to roll crimp them. How can the Mecs be altered to fold and crimp the shells without rollcrimping??
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Dave Miles
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Posted: Fri Oct 26th, 2007 03:19 pm |
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Leighton Stallones wrote: I have been loading my 10's on a MEC set up for the 3 1/2 shells. However it is too
tall to crimp them and i am having to roll crimp them. How can the Mecs be altered to fold and crimp the shells without rollcrimping??
I use the MEC Short Kit. All it is, is a 1/4" plate, that raises the hull up for the last two crimp stations. http://www.mecreloaders.com/productline/AccessoryReloading.asp
It's down towards the bottom of the page, some guys just make their own, out of steel or plywood. I've got 2 of these and move it from one loader to the next as required. As I load short 10, 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauges. Also, if your loader is still set up for the 3-1/2" hull, you'll have to drop the center post down a notch, like you are doing 3" hulls, than use the plate for the extra 1/4" difference. Getting you to 2-7/8"
Last edited on Fri Oct 26th, 2007 03:21 pm by Dave Miles
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paul harm
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Posted: Thu Nov 1st, 2007 12:31 am |
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| Last night I tried my Federal 10ga shells- used 80grs of Pyrodex and 1oz of shot. Tried both fiber and plastic wads. Both seemed to break birds the same at skeet. Because my Remington chambers started getting a real fast taper around 2 3/4", that's where the shells were trimed at. I reworked an old 600 Jr 12ga press- took off the resizing ring and the wad guide and holder, and replaced the starting crimp with a dowel to push in an over shot card that is glued in. Also had to grind .017 around the shell holder so a 10ga would fit . Other than having to glue in the overshot card , it goes pretty quick. Although the shells look funny with about an inch of shell that isn't used, I thought there would be less blow-by back around the shell back into the chamber area if they were kept long enough to reach the forcing cones. This way bigger loads could also be used if I ever wanted. Paul
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paul harm
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Posted: Thu Nov 1st, 2007 12:40 am |
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| I'm useing " Duro " glue to hod the OS card in the shell. I've tried Elmers Glue in the past when reloading brass shells without much luck - end up with two or three shells and no shot except in my pocket. Does anyone have a favorite glue when doing this ? Paul
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David Purnell
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Posted: Thu Nov 1st, 2007 01:12 am |
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Paul, I use "Water Glass". Also known as Sodium Silicate. I can't remember where I saw it recommended, I think it was on a site about loading brass shells. You can order it through the local drug store. It's a liquid that comes in a quart jar, and I put it in the shells with an eye dropper. It's neat stuff. It dries to a clear hard surface that looks like glass. When you fire the shell its all blown out, with no residue.
Dave
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