Kent Tungsten Matrix 12 gauge 1400 FPS safe in a 3 frame parker?

[Cold Spring]

Originally Posted by Drew Hause

1220 fps 3' from muzzle is 665 fps at 40 yds.
1400 fps 3' from muzzle is 691 fps at 40 yds.

Drew, I presume those figures are for lead shot but you didn't cite the shot size(s).

Smaller shot will "bleed off" speed more rapidly than larger shot.

Also, bismuth shot is about 0.8X the density of lead and thus a bismuth pellet will lose speed at a faster rate than a lead pellet of the exact same diameter. Who has figures comparing the same pellet diameter of bismuth, ITX, TM and lead, at the same muzzle speed, along with their respective 40/50/60 yard speeds?

The bottom line for me is to use TM which is about as dense as lead, and to use the same payload and velocity as we did 30 years ago. I'll make an exception with lighter loads of bismuth for closer work and decoyed birds but I'll let longer range birds pass without shooting if that's what I have in the gun and there's not enough time to switch shells.

We usually only hear about the day's bag. When was the last time someone posted how many birds were feathered, crippled and lost with light loads that were overstretched?

[David Fishley]

You would think they could have timed that lag bolt.

[J.B. Books]

Even these guns were new I don't think they saw loads like 1 3/8 ounce at 1375 fps. Speed hurts patterns and makes excess recoil. If you shoot classic double guns reloading opens up far more gun friendly loads. Think "Period Correct", 1100 to 1150 fps will kill anything in shotgun range with the right size shot. The old timers increased the mass of the pellet not the speed of the payload for the desired result.

1 3/8 ounce at 1100 fps in an 8 pound gun has 32% less recoil than a load going 1375 fps.

[King Cobb]

My shells are only 1 1/4.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bill Holcombe

My shells are only 1 1/4.

Those Kent shells at 1 1/4 1400 fps will produce 34% more recoil than a 1 1/4 ounce load launched at 1100.

[Bill Murphy]

What is the "point of duck" velocity of a 1200 fps load compared to a 1450 fps load?

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

What is the "point of duck" velocity of a 1200 fps load compared to a 1450 fps load?

Bill I am either missing your point or not understanding the question.

[Kevin McCormack]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

What is the "point of duck" velocity of a 1200 fps load compared to a 1450 fps load?

About a freight car length lead! I'll trade velocity for increased payload weight any day!

[King Cobb]

1400 fps is what the box says. I was just clarifying as I had never stated the load.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bill Holcombe

1400 fps is what the box says. I was just clarifying as I had never stated the load.

Sorry I did not see the MV in the thread title, 34% more recoil than a 1100 fps load all things being equal.