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Bob Vilmur
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Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2005 08:57 pm |
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Fred
You're right. I was looking at them as similarly priced and they're not: The Florida made Chamber Mates run around $240 a set, are solid and do appear to embody a good amount of machine work. The Gauge Mates, from the Central California area, and which embody a small lengthwise split, appear less involved and run about 45 -50 bucks a set.
Let's see. If the use of the Gauge Mate product does obviate reloading the case again, then my "Plan B" will be to acquire some expendable promotional type cases up at my club, experiment with my MEC Size-O-Matic and see if I can come up with a good useable one time reload.
The idea of loading my old Xpert trap and a couple of boxes of birds into the old Bronco and going off into the desert with my buddy and his damascus 10 to economically practice all manner of shots we can't duplicate on a trap or skeet range, well, that's going to happen.
Thanks again, Fred
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Thu Feb 24th, 2005 11:05 pm |
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Harry,
I was the only guy that shot black powder. The2 and 7/8" shells worked very well. They did as well as a 3.5" magnum (and kicked a whole lot less).I'm convinced the reason a large frame gun shoots well is because once you get it swinging it's hard to stop it or slow it down so you are not likely to shoot behind the bird. 27 of us got 297 birds. Most were shooting English side by sides. There were a few Parkers besides mine.There was so much action that when it ended you really wanted to go around again. Like a roller coaster when you were a kid.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 02:05 am |
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Alan,
What was your load? 4 1/4-1 1/4-6? What does your gun weigh and what frame is it on? I envy you as the only offering here is clay and a little bitter for my friends to pursue. I hope to get out this Saturday with a new (1881) hammered Parker on 2 frame. Twist barrels that will digest 1 oz loads, 1150 fps @ 5100 psi and I think it is wide open unless there is a little back boring which I suspect as I have found it in other Parkers of this vintage. The pond at 40 yds gives a better image than paper when it comes to pattern. Hope I don't kill the pond.
Harry
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 03:08 pm |
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Harry,
100 grains of FFG, fiber wad and a 1 and a quarter oz of #4 shot. Really not a fast load but very effective and I'm sure low pressure. The gun is a d-grade, #6 frame 10 with 36" damascus barrels.
Your hammer #2 frame must be nice. I found a 1876 underlifter hammer # 2 frame with sawed off barrels and had Merrington retube it. It's a nice gun to shoot. I shoot those 2.5" smokeless loads in it. it's light enough to chase dove and quail with it.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 03:58 pm |
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Alan,
The new Parker is an under-lifter with a straight stock. Still has some case colors and all the pattern on the barrel except it is brown and not the black pattern found on Parker Damascus of a few years younger. Your large frame, long barrelled Parker must be a hoot to shoot. Enough weight there to make your arms sore but not your shoulder.
Harry
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 04:11 pm |
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My underlifter is a straight stock also. Very graceful gun.
The #6 frame is 14 lbs. Once it starts moving it's hard to put the brakes on it.
I just sent another #6 frame hammer ten to Turnbull for restoration. 34" barrels.
I got to be nuts.
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Dave Suponski
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Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2005 08:23 pm |
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| Harry, If ya don,t mind me asking what is the serial number of your 1881 Parker? My #1 frame hammergun that I just got tubes put in from Briley is serial number 20462. It,s a 12ga. with 30" barrels and a round knob stock. It,s great fun to shoot. Best,Dave
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Jim Thynne
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Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2005 05:37 am |
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If you don't mind the price Bismuth Cartridge Co. makes a nice 2 7/8 inch 10 gauge shell.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2005 01:13 pm |
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| Alan, when do we get to see these big guns, especially the Turnbull restoration? Which PGCA functions do you attend?
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2005 01:23 pm |
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Dave,
I agree that they are great to shoot and I really enjoy the under-lifter, very handy. The # on my 12 is 21399 and my round knob 10's # is 20694, both 1881 guns. I had mistakenly posted my 10 as an 1882. Makes one realize that everything should be checked before putting in print. Big gun show in Louisville today, but I am going to try and go shooting.
Harry
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Dave Suponski
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Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2005 01:45 pm |
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| Harry, Imagine that two guns 232 numbers apart and still going strong! I am gonna shoot mine tomorrow. Hope to meet ya some day. Best,Dave
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Sun Feb 27th, 2005 07:16 pm |
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8-Bore,
I shoot with the Northern Ca. Side by Side Society. I'd like to get back to the PCGA shows but haven't done it yet. I'd love to see some other large frame Parkers. Where do you get your 8 bore shells? England?
The 10 hammer gun I sent to Turnbull ended up with a very nice piece of wood and the barrels came out very nice. The skeleton butt needed to be replaced (it was like tin foil it was so rusted). Now the engraving needs work but Turnbull says they can save it. It will be nice to get it back on line shooting birds again.
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Sun Feb 27th, 2005 07:23 pm |
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| The underlifter I ended up with is #4245 built around 1874. It's really a nice shooting lightweight gun.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28th, 2005 12:38 am |
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The only sources I knew of for 8 bore shells are both off the charts now. Old Western Scrounger in Colorado always sold them but has recently took them off their lists and New England Arms handled them but is now out of business as far as I can find out.
Murhpy do you know anywhere else in the US to buy the big bore stuff? From what I know, you can't order it from England unless you hold a UK shotgun certificate. I know where to get it from over there but the guy won't ship to me.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Feb 28th, 2005 12:18 pm |
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| I have always bought my empties from Dixie Arms in Tennessee and my wads from Ox Yoke wads. I don't have any loading tools. One of the posters on the double gun site sent me a big box with all his empties because he had quit loading. They were Remington black plastic. I haven't loaded any of them yet. I have gotten lazy in my old age and shoot mostly 12 gauge smokeless out of chamber inserts.
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Michael Scott Leonard
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Posted: Sat Jan 21st, 2006 09:34 pm |
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Here in the U.K.We use 8 bore REMINGTON Industrial cartridge cases,[produced to shoot the clinkers off furnaces,I beleive.] They do have a ridge in the "brass"but this is easily swaged out.They come from the U.S.A......5Dram of Black and 2oz Shot fits in 2and7/8 nicely.....Shoots well too!
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Posted: Sat Jan 21st, 2006 10:37 pm |
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Allan,
Did you get your D 6 frame from Cabelas? I recall they had a similar gun in Las Vegas several years ago. I remember looking at the gun for some time.
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 04:03 pm |
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Jeff,
I did get it the hammerless #6 frame from Cabela's (Sidney, Nebraska). I got the # 6 frame D-grade hammergun from a guy in South Carolina(via gunsamerica). It was pretty beat up and Turnbull is still working on it. It has 34" damascus barrels. If it shoots as good as the hammerless I'll be very happy.
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Tom Carter
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 07:46 pm |
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| Mr Suponski, just wanted to let you know I have 20422. I just got it a few weeks ago. I'm having to do a bit of work on it before I shoot it. I also have to replace the stock. Somebody put a fence post on it many years ago. Could you send me a picture of your stock? I want to make it as "period" correct as possible. It is a 10 gauge with 30 inch barrels. Cheers, Tom Carter
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Posted: Mon Jan 23rd, 2006 10:39 pm |
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| Tom,I have since sold the gun in question. But I have some pictures on my PC. Send me an email to ctdoubles@aol.com and I will send ya what I have. Best,Dave
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