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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Sat Feb 5th, 2005 09:09 pm |
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| Alan, why would a number six frame gun take a different size insert than any other frame size? Not only are the 10 to 12 inserts mentioned earlier available but Briley makes 10 to 20 full length inserts with screw in chokes and integral extractors.
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Sun Feb 6th, 2005 08:40 pm |
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I guesss it wouldn't for short insers like we were talking about but I don't think they make them for 36" and 34 " barrels. Do you think they do? it would be great if they did.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Feb 7th, 2005 12:07 am |
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| Briley may make inserts longer than 32" but would probably try to talk you out of them because of the weight and the special order fabrication. The only drawback to a 30" tube in a 36" barrel would be using a longer knockout tool to remove them and a bit more hassle in changing choke tubes. Even that hassle is solved by using an extended choke wrench. Briley has been doing this for decades.
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Tue Feb 8th, 2005 04:05 pm |
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Eightbore wrote: Alan, why would a number six frame gun take a different size insert than any other frame size? Not only are the 10 to 12 inserts mentioned earlier available but Briley makes 10 to 20 full length inserts with screw in chokes and integral extractors.
Eightbore,
You're correct the frame size doesn't make any difference. But the Briley 12 inserts are permanent, the 20 full lenght tubes add weight to an already 14.5 lb gun and the 10 inserts are chambers only where Briley says all the pressure is. Well this gun has the thickest breech walls I've ever seen. I'm not worried about pressure there. Actually I shouldn't worry about shooting anything in this gun. Maybe I'll get off my lazy butt and just load low pressure 2 7/8 for both the hammerless and the hammer gun and not sweat the damascus anymore. My sense is bad mouthing damascus was an early 20th century hype to sell fluid steel barrels which were cheaper to produce.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Tue Feb 8th, 2005 04:46 pm |
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Alan,
I spent a lot of money on 10 ga brass and shot Black powder through my Parker. It was a mess and I came home looking like I'd been stoking an old coal furnace. Good fun with smoke, fire and BOOOOM. The Gauge-Mates are about $35 a pair from Cabela's and you can shoot 12's all day long. Sherman Bell did however do a great job of providing low pressure smokeless loads for the 10 ga in one of his articles "Finding out for myself" in The Double Gun Journal. I am convinced that all Parker barrels, Twist, Damascus or fluid steel, were constructed to withstand the same pressures.
Harry
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Tue Feb 8th, 2005 07:12 pm |
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Harry Collins wrote: Alan,
I spent a lot of money on 10 ga brass and shot Black powder through my Parker. It was a mess and I came home looking like I'd been stoking an old coal furnace. Good fun with smoke, fire and BOOOOM. The Gauge-Mates are about $35 a pair from Cabela's and you can shoot 12's all day long. Sherman Bell did however do a great job of providing low pressure smokeless loads for the 10 ga in one of his articles "Finding out for myself" in The Double Gun Journal. I am convinced that all Parker barrels, Twist, Damascus or fluid steel, were constructed to withstand the same pressures.
Harry
Harry,
I'm shooting black powder shells this weekend at a driven pheasant hunt. i guess I better wear my coveralls. Remember that article in, I think, the Shooting Sportsman where it took a measured 32,000 lbs to blow a rusty pair of damascus barrels?
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2005 05:09 pm |
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Charlie- FYI I shot the 10-12 Gauge-Mates in the lifter Parker Saturday at a round of sporting clays and learned a few things more than other ten rounds I had put through the gun. I almost reloaded once fired cases but decided I could get one more loading out of some AA's. Good choice as the shell expands through the longitudinal slit in the adapter and renders the shell useless for reloading. They split and some gas does escape and a little soot gets back on the extractor about like when shooting black powder loads. I fumbled around trying to take both spent shells and Gauge-Mates out at the same time, push the old shells out and reload. Found that one at a time is faster.
Allen-How did the black powder shoot go?
Harry
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2005 06:13 pm |
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Harry Collins wrote: Charlie- FYI I shot the 10-12 Gauge-Mates in the lifter Parker Saturday at a round of sporting clays and learned a few things more than other ten rounds I had put through the gun. I almost reloaded once fired cases but decided I could get one more loading out of some AA's. Good choice as the shell expands through the longitudinal slit in the adapter and renders the shell useless for reloading. They split and some gas does escape and a little soot gets back on the extractor about like when shooting black powder loads. I fumbled around trying to take both spent shells and Gauge-Mates out at the same time, push the old shells out and reload. Found that one at a time is faster.
Allen-How did the black powder shoot go?
Harry
Harry, The driven hunt is next week south of Hollister, CA. I paid a guy in northern Wisconsin and he mailed me 50, 2 and 7/8 black powder #5 lead, ounce and a quarter loads. They ought to make a lot of noise and smoke! I'll take a 12 back up as the shooting is really furious. I'll either run out of shells or burn my hand off with the 10(or get tired of dragging that beast around). last year the double gun group shot 72% on 425 birds. It's going to be more fun that a bunch of guys should have!
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Harry Sanders
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2005 07:54 pm |
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| Please share your source for short 10ga shells. Curious the loaded cost per round.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2005 11:29 pm |
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| Allen, sounds like a hoot. I wear gloves most times when the shooting is going to be fast. Not that I have poison hands, but because I'm a sissy about burning my hands. In Kentucky we have Southern States which has a great supply of inexpensive pig skin gloves. I wear mens medium and can get these little meat hooks into Lady's large leather gloves that are almost sheer. It is like putting on a pair of surgical gloves and great for loading etc. Have a blast (hee, hee) and let us know how it went when you get back.
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Sun Feb 13th, 2005 11:31 pm |
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Harry Sanders wrote: Please share your source for short 10ga shells. Curious the loaded cost per round. Gad Custom Cartridges on the Internet, $25 for a box of 20. I sent him the 3.5" cases,he cut them to 2 and 7/8 and loaded them with, I believe,100 grains of black powder.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2005 02:36 am |
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My experience is that you will not notice the weight of full length Brileys in a Parker of nine pounds or more. I shoot a lifter ten , two frame 30 inch, tubed to twenty, at skeet and five stand. This gun is 9 1/4 pounds and the Briley's move the balance only slightly forward. This gun has built in lead on high house one.
Best, Austin
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Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2005 07:09 pm |
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Alan,
I just ran across woodcockhill.com which said that they are offering the RST 2 7/8"s in lead.
-Weston
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Alan Webber
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Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2005 07:17 pm |
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Weston,
That's a find! Thanks.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2005 07:21 pm |
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Yeah and they're $1.15 per shell plus only loaded with 3 drams of powder 1 1/8 ounces of shot. So you're essentially paying that big price for a AA Winchester load stuck in a 2 7/8 10 gauge case. Be nice to have a flat of these to shoot skeet with for practice with my 10 bore but not at that kind of price.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2005 07:26 pm |
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| You're right. They are pretty pricey. I guess it's time to cut 3.5" cases down and load them.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2005 07:44 pm |
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| But of course bottom feeders like myself would still prefer to have a local machinist turn some chamber inserts from common steel (not stainless) to fit your chambers and shoot 12 gauge shells. I would assume (as an ex-apprentice machinist in my high school days) that anyone who would undertake such a project would try to locate some stock that has a hole down the middle about the size of a 12 gauge chamber and has an outside diameter similar to a ten gauge chamber. That would be PIPE in layman's terms. That's what I use, I have no idea how the guy makes them, he doesn't want any more work, but they work great in my tens and eights and I think you can do it at home if you have a lathe or know anyone who does.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2005 07:36 am |
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Alan - - Interesting point you make about 12 gauge cases expanding into the length-wise slit on the Gauge Mate you were using and thus rendering the case unfit to reload. There are two different Gauge Mate products, one made in California and the other in Florida. I gather you used the California made one. The (Seminole) Florida model appears to be designed differently. Subsequently, in the Florida model's FAQ section there are statements about Winchester AAs and Remington STSs being preferred for Gauge Mate use and other wording to the effect that reloaded 12 gauge cases used in their 10 gauge adapter should be resized first, unless originally fired in their adapter. I construe this to mean that shells successfully fired in their adapter can be reloaded.
So, just as you learned from your 10 gauge firing that the San Diego product is hard on cases in terms of reloading, this may not be the case for the Florida product.
I use Rem STS hulls for virtually all of my target shooting. I wouldn't want to toss such cases after only one such Gauge Mate firing. I'd certainly like to hear from anyone who has used the Florida made 10 to 12 gauge unit regarding the reloadability of fired cases.
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Posted: Wed Feb 16th, 2005 10:32 am |
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I believe the FL inserts are known as "Chamber Mates" and are far fancier (and many times more expensive) than the CA inserts known as "Guage Mates". I got a pair of Guage Mates in 10-20 for my 1878 Plain Twist hammer gun. I chose the 20 reduction as it does not have the full length split and I wanted to beef up the old chamber. They did require some dressing up to fit the old 2&5/8" chambers and allow the action to close completely and snugly.
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