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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:16 pm |
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:19 pm |
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| Bruce, It might be difficult to get that engraving done these days. Very nice! David
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Russ Jackson
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:28 pm |
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| Hello Bruce; Could I ask you , the first pic. you show with the skeleton plate, is it that nice little 20 Ga. CH grade you show every once in a while with the roundel engraving ? The reason I ask is I just bought a very nice CHE with the same engraving pattern except the dogs are not in a roundel ,they are in the rear position of the reciever with nice scroll around them , The gun is a 12 Ga. and has a spurred pad ,not original but I have a nice skeleton plate that I will have fitted after I get a letter if that brings it back to the way it left Parker Brothers, and I am wondering if the plate you show is a C Grade engraving ?
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:36 pm |
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Russ, the first set is C grade butt engraving but its from a 12ga not the 20ga C with roundel side engraving; the second set is B grade butt engraving.
Odds are that a take off old butt plate will be from a D grade. I don't have a D ssb to know if D and C grade butt plate engraving is the same.
PGCA member J J Roberts can do the engraving.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:49 pm |
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Bill Murphy is correct with his recommendation. However, there is an alternative that I know that some collectors have had done successfully. A skilled stockist ( Trevallion) can add a short extension with skeleton plate and blend it in through selection of wood and careful wood grain painting so that the joint is imperceptible. A first rate and rare Parker might warrant the cost. Such stockists are also capable of cutting the stock just behind the grip and adding a new butt piece to proper length and drop. The joint is imperceptible and the original stock head is retained.
Now again, I'm no expert and there are fellows who know much more than me.
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Russ Jackson
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:52 pm |
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| Bruce; Thank you for the info.I am not sure just how the gun came of course until I send for the letter, but I discussed the plate with a couple of gun smiths and this job is not for the faint of heart ! Would you know anyone you would suggest to do the work and do you suppose since my gun has the spurred pad that ,that will help the installation or hinder it ?
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Richard Flanders
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 04:00 pm |
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Seems that Eric Eis has a Parker that has an extension put back in at the butt and the grain blended in with something and, were you not told it was there, you would not notice the work. Pretty impressive really, and Bruce is right, a high-grade gun would certainly warrant the expense of such work, at least in my mind.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 04:42 pm |
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Russ: Trevallion, Trevallion, Trevallion.
I have not had the need for the work and have no basis to comment about whether that would be easier for your gun with the spurred inlet remaining.
Richard Conway: I think Dave Suponski is likely correct that your gun originally had a ssb. At some point lots of shooters wanted the new fangled padded butt and chopped off that old fashioned steel end. However, to me and its my opinion for what its worth, and it may be my opinion only, nothing looks so classy on a high grade Parker as a skeleton butt and a person can put a slip on Galco pad over it for shooting.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 05:50 pm |
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The buttplate on the "Gold Hearts" gun was rusted and pitted so badly it begged to be thrown away. My friend Ken Hurst would have none of that, filed the plate smooth, started from scratch, and created a masterpiece, including screws. Some parts of that buttplate must be about three thousandths thick, according to Ken. Bill Hambridge niter blued the plate and screws and it is a piece of work. Ken would not tell me how many hours went into the project. He said I couldn't afford to pay for it.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 05:58 pm |
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| Don't tease, Bill. Pictures please. Even Elliot Spitzer had pictures.
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RICHARD L ANDERSON
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:03 am |
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Richard,
The gun your thinking of might be my CHE 20 I used for birds when you were here in Nov. The stock was shortened and a new piece fitted and painted so you can't hardly tell it's there.
I am thinking of converting this to a straight grip gun however.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:06 am |
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| Rich, may I have first refusal on the buttstock and SSBP ?
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:21 am |
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| The SSBP of my 1898 DH 2-frame was so worn that a previous owner had either filed it or used a grinding wheel to the point that . . . well, you can imagine what it looked like. I sent it out to Noelle to smooth it off and re-engrave it and then to have it blued. I think it came out pretty well. Attached Image (viewed 119 times):
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 11:01 am |
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Dean,
My CHE 20 has a checkered butt. I would assume that when the stock was shortened the original ssb was discarded. I never got a letter on the gun its possible it was ordered with a checkered butt. If I could find a ssb I would pay the expense of haveing it done.
If I do the conversion to a straight grip your welcome to the butt stock. It seemes like there is a lot to making a pg gun into a str grip one BUT I would use it a lot more if it were a str grip.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:07 pm |
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Nicely done Dean. It looks like C and D skeleton plates are identical, so if Russ found a D plate it would not have to be re engraved. However the D does not have the interior wood border. I have the late 30's C with the uncheckered border and a 1904 C without. I don't know if some had it and some didn't depending on who did it, or if C grade butt checkering patterns changed at some year.
Rich, Parker checkered butts had a particular pattern. I have seen chopped off butts checkered not at Parker and they don't have the Parker butt checkering pattern. Maybe post a picture of what the butt ( gun only please) looks like?
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:35 pm |
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| Some few cut off SSB guns retain the original plate as heel and toe plates after the middle section is cut off and the end pieces reshaped. The famous AHE .410 has such a conversion, which appears to be very well done factory work. This assumption is further backed up by additional Remington repair codes.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 04:13 pm |
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| The stock measures 14 inches from the middle of the foward trigger to the butt plate. Approx. what sould it be?
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