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Richard Conway
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:05 am |
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| The Parker Butt Plates seem to vary quite a bit. I have a 1890 BH Grade 4 double barrel that does not have the original plate. I have been researching books trying to identify the correct one. Does anyone know the best resource for this? I have seen many samples on different models but not one for mine. Thanks for any help.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:09 am |
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| Richard,Your B grade or grade 5 gun was equipped with a skeleton steel butt plate. I think 1890 was a little to early for a recoil pad. But if I,m wrong on the pad I hope someone will correct me.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:37 am |
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Could have been ordered with a pad or a plastic plate, or refitted later at the factory. A B-Grade is worth getting a letter, just to see how it was shipped. The cost of the letter is chump change compared to the probable value of the gun.
But it was most likely a skeleton steel plate, hard to find and even harder to replace if the butt has been shortened or even just squared up for a pad. Better to know before you spend big money to make it right.
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Richard Conway
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:45 am |
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| As you can tell I am new to the Parker Club. My father left me this gun with many others to add to my collection. I had never looked into Parkers before. How do I go about getting this letter you speak of?
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:49 am |
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Go to our home page and click the 'Research Letters' button and you will see the directions. They are very worthwhile getting on a high end gun like a B grade.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 04:18 am |
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| The skeleton buttplate was the standard for D grade and above. If your letter does not address a buttplate for your gun you may safely assume is was originally fitted with a skeleton buttplate.
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Richard Conway
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 02:08 am |
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| Thanks for the help. I have signed up for the PGA and will be getting the research letter. I guess I will start looking for the correct butt plate, at least the stock was not modified.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:11 pm |
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| Richard, If your gun doesn't have a skeleton butt plate you would have to have a skilled stocker install it. If it has a pad and you wish to replace it then look at the Slivers pads you can order from England. Any pad or plate would have to be fitted. David
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:29 pm |
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Richard,
Could post some pictures of your Parker including the current butt plate/pad?
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Richard Conway
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 01:38 pm |
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| Someone installed a Browning Automatic butt plate. They fitted it pretty good. There are only 2 screw holes and I believe the originals that I have seen on-line had 4. Now I'm wondering if the stock was ground to fit. There are signs of finish stain on the stock under the butt plate all the way around??
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:38 pm |
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The skeleton butt plates came in various sizes according to the size of the gun. They were fitted to the stock and the stock shaved to fit. A person can file down the plate periphery but too much and it will look off. If a plate take from another gun is used, the edge engraving can be filed off if the plate periphery is reduced, and the plate must be refiled, re engraved and re blued.
Checkering within the butt area is difficult and amateurs often have a difficult time.
That's my understanding but there are a lot of people who know a lot more about Parkers than I do. Bill Murphy, anything to add?
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:43 pm |
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| The plate spur is another trap for the unwary or unskilled. Attached Image (viewed 193 times):
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:51 pm |
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There might still be a few original Parker unfinished unengraved skeleton butts around. Since the a and perhaps the most common frame size was No. 2 , that may be what can be most likely found.
Galazan sells a skeleton butt plate, however its width measurements indicate to me that it is for an 0 frame gun.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:55 pm |
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| Thanks for the picture. Thats what I thought it should look like after doing some research. The center checkered area has been removed from mine. I'm sure this was done many many years ago. I will have to get one fitted, if I can fine one, when I get the research letter and verify the correct butt plate. I enjoy restoring things to their original in detail, but it sure can get expensive. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:58 pm |
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...it sure can get expensive...
I am shocked!
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David Hamilton
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:05 pm |
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| If your gun only has two screw holes under the butt plate then it did not have a skeleton butt plate originally. It may have had a Dog's Head butt plate or more likely it had a pad. Perhaps when the pad deteriorated someone replaced it with a hard rubber plate. David
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:14 pm |
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| I see you have a B grade gun. This is what your engraving will need to look like to be correct. This from a 1911 BHE No. 2 frame, not that the frame size makes any difference for engraving. Attached Image (viewed 183 times):
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:16 pm |
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| If the stock is original to the gun and the evidence of the inletting for the "peak" is gone, the stock is probably pretty short. Removing the evidence of the peak is probably enough cutting of the stock to also remove all evidence of the side screw holes. The best thing to do is to install an original style recoil pad because the installation of the skeleton buttplate would leave the stock short and cost a fortune. Restocking the gun to have a skeleton butt at the right length would destroy the originality of the stock or what is left of it. No crime in a nice old gun with a nice old recoil pad. What is the length of your stock from middle of the front trigger to the middle of the buttplate? Nice pictures, Bruce. Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:18 pm by Bill Murphy
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