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David Hamming
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 Posted: Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 11:46 am

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Bob,

Give Dave Vandenbrand a call. He's north of Holland, near the power plant.

I can get you a phone # if you need it.

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bobpeters wrote: Thanks, Russ, Richard,

How many 20 ga's with 3" chambers were made, this one for sure has 30"'s chamber to tip. So all the Duck guns had 32"s'

Thanks, I will check into the cases, I'm sure that I can do better than what it came in. What abou silicon sleeves for protection?

Let me know,

Thanks,

BP


Bob,

This is just my opinion, but stay away from the silicone sleeves. The silicone gets into the wood and makes it a pain to add to or refinish the wood.

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George Van Syckel wrote: Jay

Nice quote.

May I place it on my website?

 

Thanks, but I did not write it.  I wish that I wrote that well.  I'll e-mail you the full quote as soon as I get back into my office.

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I look forward to your email.

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Hello George, I have a place on Maranacook Lake in Readfield. As we are neighbors, you should tell me where I can find your favorite woodcock coverts  :D 

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The best grounds for hunting Woodcock are the Passamaquoddy River Valley (alias St. Croix)  bordering Washington county, Maine and New Brunswick, Canada. The Passamaquoddy are the guardians of the Woodcock. My grandfather was part Passamaquoddy and past this lore down to me. He must be right, he owned a Parker and his English Setters were flawless on Woodcock and Ruffed Grouse. He once had a bitch who had 14 pups. He said, he had made more money if she only had 4. I bet every English Setter in the Kennebec valley has some of his dogs lineage in them.  I love watching Cesar Milan "The Dog Whisperer" when he just look at his dogs and they know what to do. It is like watching my granddad with his Setters. My great uncle raised Springers and my Dad had labs. I on the other hand love my Wirehaired Pointing Griffons. Groovy my 10 year old bitch is NAVHDA Utility prize 2.  She hails from Crown Point Kennels in Massachusets. Vicky Foster's,  kennel owner and master trainer,  LAD was 2007 field dog of the year. Groovy points so strong and retrieves so well that if there are no birds the fallen leaves turn into Woodcock out of obedience to her great power. :)

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George, my great-great-great grandmother on my mother's side was full-blood Passamaquoddy. I have one picture (tintype or deguerotype, not sure which) of her and her husband. He is seated wearing a black coat and black bow-tie (a la Abe Lincoln) while she is standing by his side in period dress, not Native American desss but satin, I believe, with wide lace collar that goes about to her shoulders. It is all I have of them - no lore passed down unfortunately, just a deep love of nature and a constant compelling urge to be out there in it, hunting and fishing.

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Bob-

Regarding a gunsmith to look over your Parker you might give Batchelders in Grand Rapids a try. I know Dave Vandenbrand and he is a genius in woodwork but he is probably in Texas hunting deer.

I wouldn't use a silicone sleeve either. Lightly wipe the gun with a good quality oil and store it. The key is "lightly oil".

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I looked over Bob's gun today. Very nice gun, however one of the ejectors is not staying cocked. I recommended DelGrego's for the repair.

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Dave,

Thanks again for taking the time to look at this old gun. I will keep you posted as to the contents of the letter. I will also see what I can do about the ejector, I guess it will be taking a trip.

I got home ok, not all did as well, plenty of cars that ended up off the road!

Thanks again,

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I guess that makes us brothers.

Your picture is an invaluable connection to your roots.

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Gentlemen,

Thought I would update you all about this gun. According to the Parker letter that came today:

The gun was ordered by B.H.Dyus Company in L.A., Ca 9/29/1919, shipped 11/10/1919. VH hammerless 20ga, vulcan steel 30", capped pistol grip. Chokes RH full, LH full, it appears to be in the same configuration as when it left Parker, it has had some use, with much factory color remaining. The price was $58.20.

Thanks to Mark Conrad for the information!!

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Gentlemen,

I thought I would give all that have replied an update. This gun has been to Mr. delGrego to have an ejector spring replaced. Per Larry, this gun is origional "front to back and in wonderful condition.

So............ my next question, I need to figure out what it is worth so I can insure it on my home owners policy, would anyone care to take a guess, or how can I get an official confirmation as to what this guns replacement value would be?

Any help is welcome!!!!!!!

 

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Gentlemen,

I thought I would give all that have replied an update. This gun has been to Mr. delGrego to have an ejector spring replaced. Per Larry, this gun is origional "front to back and in wonderful condition.

So............ my next question, I need to figure out what it is worth so I can insure it on my home owners policy, would anyone care to take a guess, or how can I get an official confirmation as to what this guns replacement value would be?

Any help is welcome!!!!!!!

 

Thanks,

Bob Peters



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Gentlemen,

I thought I would give all that have replied an update. This gun has been to Mr. delGrego to have an ejector spring replaced. Per Larry, this gun is origional "front to back and in wonderful condition.

So............ my next question, I need to figure out what it is worth so I can insure it on my home owners policy, would anyone care to take a guess, or how can I get an official confirmation as to what this guns replacement value would be?

Any help is welcome!!!!!!!

 

Thanks,

Bob Peters



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     I wouldn't put it on a home owner's policy.  They claim to cover possesions, but guns are usually not included, at least not at their real value.  Look into insurance through the Chubb Group, they reasonably cover antiques and firearms.  Sorry I can't answer your question.  I don't know what the gun is worth.

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 As you probably know by now long barreled small bores of any grade are very desirerable and quite valuable. Not sure how your insurance company works but mine requires a written estimate of value from a qualified source. I have had Babe DelGrego write many such letters for me and would suggest that since he just examined the gun for you he should be able to give a pretty good estimate of what your gun is worth and supply a letter if required.

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If the entry in the order book did not say anything about chamber length, it was probably made with 2 1/2" chambers.  A shell going into a chamber is not a good way to determine real chamber length.  I would recommend that you not specify that LD lengthen the chambers if you are interested in the value of the gun.  It is a wonderful gun and should be left as original as possible.  In 1919, prices for Parkers were all over the map, but $58.00 would seem to be a VHE Grade with ejectors rather than a VH Grade without ejectors.  An ejector retrofit would be unusual on a VH Grade Parker.  Your ejectors are probably original and your gun would be a VHE.  I just noticed that you had posted pictures.  That is a medium high condition gun, and with its California provenance, is worth over $4000.  OK, so I bit the bullet and made a guess. 

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I believe A.W.Dubray, Parker salesman, was in California at that time.  He was noted for bringing the smallbore Parkers into wide use in that area.  Captain DuBray most likely took the order for your gun.  His name is usually noted on the order page. 

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bobpeters wrote:  would anyone care to take a guess, or how can I get an official confirmation as to what this guns replacement value would be?

Any help is welcome!!!!!!!

 

Thanks,

Bob Peters

Unofficial confirmation

There is no replacement value

Each Parker is unique and therefore irreplaceable

Thus, your gun is PRICELESS

It's true value is the pleasure it has given and continues to give to whomever has the opportunity to include it as part of their personal pursuit of happiness during their time on the planet.

Take good care of it so that an unborn soul will one day also enjoy it.

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