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bobpeters
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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Hello,
This is my first time to this site. I just got a 20ga Parker Brothers gun, it seems to be in very good condition. I will tell you what I know about it so far and maybe some of you can help fill in the blankes.
Serial #183120, frame size is a 20 with an 0 by it. Weight is a 3with a 5 above it.
Grade is VH, barrels are Vulcan steel.
It was owned by a gentleman that lived in Southern California, lived from 1887-1965,
and hunted in the Sierra mountains.
Anything anyone could offer would be very welcome.
Thank you,
BP
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Danny McHugh
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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| It is not in the serialization book. There is records avail.
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bobpeters
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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Could you tell me what that means.
Thanks,
BP
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Danny McHugh
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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| Research letter form is avail at this site.
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Jim Williams
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 11:10 pm |
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Bob,
There is a book called the Parker Serialization and Identification Book which can be found available for purchase online. With this book we can look up individual guns by serial number and determine the original configuration that the gun left the factory in (although there are sometimes errors in the book, but it is generally accurate). The book will list the action type, grade, gauge, barrel length, stock and forend configuration, etc. and various options such as ejectors. Unfortunately there are gaps in the serial numbers and some guns just aren't listed - Danny has determined that yours is one of them. However there are other records in possession of the PGCA that may have information on guns not listed in "the book". There is a feature on this website that allows you to put your serial number in and determine if PGCA has any records on your gun. Danny has apparently done this for you and determined that such records exist for your gun. Thus, you can apply to the PGCA for a research letter on your gun. The cost is 60.00 for non-PGCA members, and 40.00 for members, last time I checked. Sometimes there will be significantly more info in a research letter than what would be in "the book", and sometimes not. But if a letter is available (as there appears to be in your case) at least the info that would have been in "the book" should be in the letter. You can use this to determine if your gun is still in the same configuration that it left the factory in. That, and its condition are what will determine its current value. (Being a 20 gauge certainly doesn't hurt, either!)
Jim
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Bob,
Welcome to the site. Any chance that you can post a couple of pictures of your Parker or share some details like barrel length, straight stock or pistol grip? 20 ga. V-grades are gem's and knowing the history behind the gun makes it all the more special.
Jay Gardner
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bobpeters
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Posted: Fri Dec 26th, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Jim,
Thank you for your response.
I will join and send in to get as much information as possible!I do have some idea as to the history of this gun. Knowing my great uncle I think that this gun is just as it was when it left the factory. He was someone that took great care of his tools. There is only one mark on the gun that I can see (a scratch on the stock), even this has been oiled?, rubbed? until it is not very clear. I don't think this gun has seen the light of day since about 1988 when I cleaned all of these guns and re-stowed them in a sealed trunk.
A little bit of information, I think the barrels are full chokes and for sure are 30".
I will take some pic's and try to get them on here very soon.
Thank you again,
Bob Peters
Holland, Mi
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bobpeters
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 12:04 am |
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Jay,
Thanks,
Yes, the barrels are 30", I think full chokes. The gun seems to be in great condition! I will get some photos taken and posted very soon. I hope that some pictures will offer additional information from all of you PGCA members!
Thanks again,
Bob Peters
Holland, Mi
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 01:03 am |
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| Bob, we have a bunch of Michiganders who will have you dragging that old gun all over the place and shooting it until your fingers are sore. Stay away from them, Eis, Anderson, Hoffard, Gardner, Miles, all of them will lead you astray and take you to the Yoopper, some sort of strange Michigan tribal gathering.
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bobpeters
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 01:10 am |
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| Thanks for the warning!!!!!
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Tom Bria
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 03:32 am |
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I think all 30" 20's should be returned to California, forthwith.
Bob, there is remote chance that you have one of the rare and desireable Widgeon Club guns. Measure the chambers. If they are 3", you may be in luck. The Widgeon Club was on the western side of the Sierra Nevada, a bit northwest of Delano, so the provenance on the gun may be a fit with that, but I think those guns were DH grade. Don't get too excited yet, but do order the letter. The serial number puts the gun around 1919-1920. This could get interesting.
Three-inch cartridges weren’t new in 1922. During the latter part of the 19th and early 20th centuries—provided enough shells were ordered and the load was relatively safe and possible to manufacture at a profit—ammunition companies would load anything anyone wished to order. Prior to World War I, the Widgeon Duck Club in central California obtained ten special-order, 3-inch-chambered 20-gauge Parker shotguns. They were probably used with ammunition from the California Powder Company of San Francisco. Heavy loads? No, the load information stamped on the over-shot wad on an early Peters Cartridge Co. 3-inch, 20-gauge shell shows it’s loaded with 2 1⁄2 drams of E.C. and 7⁄8 ounce of No. 4 chilled shot—the equivalent of today’s 20-gauge target load.
From: http://www.gunsandhunting.com/MakingMagnums.html
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RICHARD L ANDERSON
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 11:40 am |
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Now Bruce don't scare the guy away . The Yooper is a wonderfull place full of Grouse, Deer and Waterfowl, then there is the U.P. SXS shoot which is a whole different story. Perhaps you should try it sometime. Be warned bring LOTS of ammo .
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Bill Bolyard
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 01:42 pm |
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Up in this part of Michigan it is my understanding that Alpena is a Indian word meaning land of Grouse, What a wonderful state we live in.
Bill
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John Dallas
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:02 pm |
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Grayling = small drinking village with a fishing problem
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Jay Gardner
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:29 pm |
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We should have the first PA chapter here in MI. "Hello, my name is Jay and I have a problem...." There is just something sublime about a 20 ga V grade with long barrels that sends me around the bend. Bob, if that little gem has a straignt grip PLEASE don't tell me. I am not sure that I'll be able to stand it.
Ah, Michigan. Grouse, woodcock, ducks, geese, phez, deer..... And then there are the trout - lovely little Brookies and meaty Browns any of which wil compliment a sweet 4-wt bamboo rod. And you can't forget the steelhead and speed-carp. There are few things more beautiful than a big buck steelhead, fresh from Lake Michigan, with rosy cheeks, caught on a snowy late winter day.
Anyway, back to your V-grade. If you are inclined there are a number of MI Parker guys who get together several times through the year to shoot. You are welcome to join in the fun.
Jay
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:42 pm |
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Jay,
I can send you around the bend and down the river. DHE 20, str grip, 30" VR, BTF
She's great on a clays course or in the Pheasant fields but not much of a Grouse/Woodcock gun.
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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1928 DHE 20ga, 0 frame, 32" Titanic, PG, dt, splf. High condition. I have a couple others for grouse, when I start missing that claustrophobic feeling and the wood ticks.
For the new fellow, remember now, you only need one Parker.
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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For the new fellow, remember now, you only need one Parker.
Bruce what do you mean only one Parker ? A man always needs one more....
Bob you are more then welcome to come out and shoot with us and if you need someone to take a look at the gun give Dave Miles a shout, he is in your area. Eric
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Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 03:00 pm |
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One for the Grouse coverts. DHE 20, str grip, spl, dbl triggers, 26" tubes Cyl & Skt 1.
Bruce you need to over come your fear of closed in spaces and hunt more Grouse.
Once you master the demons of the Alders (Grouse & Woodcock) the Phesant, Sharptails & Huns will be a piece of cake.
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RICHARD L ANDERSON wrote:
Once you master the demons of the Alders (Grouse & Woodcock) the Phesant, Sharptails & Huns will _____ _____ __ _ _________
Fill in the blanks with "never again be a challenge."
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