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Posted: Sat Jul 16th, 2005 09:20 pm

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Hi,

Just wanted to know apx. how long does it take to get information or a (Parker Letter)?

I am in the process of purchasing a AH 16 gauge serial number 169,687. It is a 26 inch barrel, choked IC/IC, length of pull is 14", skeleton butt, frame #1, weight 6lbs. 15 oz, double trigger and the seller gives the overall condition at apx. 93%.

Any information on this AH Parker would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sat Jul 16th, 2005 10:41 pm

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Is this the gun that Leroy Merz is offering?

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Posted: Sat Jul 16th, 2005 11:05 pm

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Hi,

Yes it is. Do you happen to have any information on this Parker.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 12:41 am

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When I looked at it, I took the serial number for my research notes but that was the extent of my research. I suggest you get a letter in case it is in one of the existing order books. Apparently that number is not in an available stock book.

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 12:50 am

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Hi Bill,

Thanks for your response.

Any experience with a Parker thst the serial number is not listed in the Parker book and still letters?

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 01:07 am

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Chip, go to the Home page and click on Research Letter. When you get to that page, in the right block is a place to click inorder to check and see if there are any records of your gun before you order a research letter. Good luck. John D.

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 01:16 am

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Hi John,

I just checked and it states that the database did not locate any information to base a research letter.

Do you happen to have any other suggestions?

Appreciate all your help.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 02:06 am

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That is not the message I get on the number you mention. There is no stock book for this number so there must be order book information on your gun. Order book information is much more interesting than stock book information. Are you sure you punched in the right number?

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 02:11 am

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Hi,

I just punched it in again and I got the same result. The number that I was given is 169,687.

John I just tried it without a comma and it says that there is information on the Parker AH. Is there someone I can call to get the information quicker or do I have to wait to get a letter through the mail?

I will FEDEX the check and research form Monday.

Thanks for your help,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 03:38 am

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Jeff you need to slow down, when you move to fast is when you get into trouble...I have had times when I thought I had found thee gun.... and had to move fast, one that I remember was a BHE 410 was not in the book and it would have been a rare gun if it was what the seller said it was (one of his Dad's guns didn't know much about the history but his dad owned it for 30 years) talked to some people in the club about the gun and finally figured out it was an upgraded 410, talked to the seller and after a time he came down $15,000 later I found out he had bought the gun at a show (thanks to a club member) a few months before. He had a good story but I stepped back and talked to people and it saved me a load of money.

I am not saying what you have found or the dealer is not giving you the straight facts it's just be carefull, you are talking about alot of money, would you jump this fast on a "stock tip" As they say about investing do your research then buy.

I would question 26" tubes that were bored IC/IC they may be cut which you would have to see the gun before you would know. It could also be an upgrade with cut barrels. There are a lot of questions that you need answers on so slow down . At least that's my thoughts on the subject. Like I've said I've been there done that...

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 11:01 am

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Hi Eric,

Thanks for the input.

You can see pictures of the AH at http://www.merzantique.com. It is under american shotgun.

If you get a chance check out the pictures of the muzzle and engraving.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 01:45 pm

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Chip, I don't know why the comma is a problem, but it is. I always use the number without the comma because obviously the comma is read by the computer as a number just like as if you had put in an incorrect number. Here is the answer to your question about the "Parker book" as you call it. The serialization book (to which I assume you are referring) is compiled from the stock books. If the stock book containing your gun is missing, your number will not be in the serialization book. However, your gun could be included in an order book that is not missing. In that case, PGCA would have information on your gun. The stock book and the order book are two very different documents. One can be missing and the other can be available for research.

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 01:51 pm

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Hi Bill,

Thanks for the info.

I am submitting the form tomorrow and hope to get good news.

Where in Michigan are you from? I lived in Richland (GullLake) for a few years and East Grand Rapids.

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 02:17 pm

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I didn't see an AH on the link maybe he pulled it off. I live in the Detroit area. Good luck. Eric

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 02:25 pm

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Hi Bill,

I just checked and it is still there. Item number 6-1102 under american shotguns.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 03:11 pm

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Bill lives in Maryland and Eric asked the question about the absence of the gun on Leroy's website. Sure enough, it is still there, and has been for quite some time. PGCA provenance is absolutely required to prove that the gun was originally manufactured as a 16 gauge and as a 26" barrelled one.

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 03:14 pm

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Hi Bill,

Sorry for the mistake.

I am working in the yard with my wife and did not pay enough attention.

Any comments on the AH especially the end of the muzzle?

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 03:19 pm

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I think the gun will still be available when you receive the PGCA letter. The letter will probably answer your questions. The question I always have is why the seller of five and six figure bird guns don't have provenance available to prospective customers. Maybe your letter will also answer my question as well as yours.

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 03:30 pm

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Hi Bill,

I don't know, I didn't ask him that question.

Thanks,

Chip

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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 08:04 pm

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Bill I swear I didn't see that gun this morning..! And no I didn't party last night..

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