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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 01:52 pm |
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| By a show of hands, how many people in this forum have a video of their father on his wedding day with a Parker strapped to his shoulder with a "jimmy-rigged" harness while people are taking pictures? Attached Image (viewed 537 times):
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 03:18 pm |
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| Tom, There were no videos in 1935; and, if anyone was holding a shotgun, It would have been my Grandfather.
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 03:42 pm |
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Fred - You are absolutely right, but this video was 16mm in 1945. Grandad did hold the gun, but for safe-keeping while dad was in the service. The video begs the question,"Joe, can you put the gun down just for a minute?"while everyone took pictures. I will post it within the next 10 days after I convert it from VHS.
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 09:12 pm |
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I do not see any nicks, cuts, scars, or calouses on that hand you posted hence you are not of the take the gun apart faction of the Parker collectors. BTW your posted pictures are top shelf all the way, however I lack the high defination capability so I can not view one of your posts.
In my prior post on this subject I forgot to tell you what a pretty 16ga. your dad left behind for you to use and I hope that you do shoot it and often.
When that Parker has a hankern to return to its Ohio roots please give me first chance.
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 03:31 am |
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Hi Roger - Believe me, your first line was taken in jest ( Joe was laughing and I was too). Everything after was taken seriously. So, now you have to read a story.
In the years dad owned this Parker, calls came from many (I remember) to ask him to sell over the years. Don't know how that was. Don't know how they knew. He didn't belong to anything asscociated with the gun. BUT, mom was anxious to get rid of it after dad died so that she didn't have to deal with a querry of calls that she was afraid of being stupid to deal with. She did, however, want it to fall in good hands. Have a feeling that scenario may have existed at many times in a lot of places with other people. (Gentleman, prepare your wills). I was the only son of 2 associated with the gun, because I was the one who enjoyed going hunting with him. I still have the H&R 12ga he bought me. It might be worth $14 now since he bought it for $13 in 1964. It did exactly what it was suppose to. On the grounds of Allen and Putnam Counties.............I...... got....... my........ share.
As for shooting it now and often............it was last fired in 1965. That was by me and for the first time. It was also the first time I ever went hunting by myself. Dad was was engaged in a lot of work hours in those days, so our times didn't work together. He thought it pretty neat to send me off by myself. I'm sure that after I left the house he warned NASA and FAA that I might be firing skyward.
I hit one of those Putnam County farms. I didn't ask permission. I hopped the fence. Shit....I was Joe McNeff's son.
I walked into the woods quit a ways before I planted myself next to a tree. (Incidentally... I was going after squirrel) The plan was to be comfortable...and maybe fall asleep. I followed that script exactly.
When I woke up, a fox squirrel was bobbing a branch... no more than 30 feet away from me. It was so close, it felt like it was saying, "I'm a piece of cake...shoot me! I thought that it would be great to get one home on my own. The pressure was tremendous. The minute I stood up, I cracked a trig that I was standing on. The echo was like a voice saying "there is a hunter here, run for your lives..lives..live..liv. Well, i fired at that fox squirrel with both barrels....but at the same time, that Parker didn't have enough triggers to make me happy. OK....I'll stop here. Well, I hopped the fence going back in a much different way than I entered.
My use of the gun today has been "null and void'. Where I live is a great dove hunting arena. Had to turn down many an invitation because of some health difficulties. Not dying. Just wear and tear.
But, like Jay, I have daughters. For all I have said, they won't care about smell or history. I'm always lookin for a home. My mother, who wouldn't allow a gun collection in the house was careful to see that this Parker was and needed to be in a credible place. She was glad that I took it. It's people like me (inheriters) who can reduce a collectors market. I'm hear to take care of my dad's Parker.......and "no information" is abortion. It takes a notch out of the "C" in PGCA. It's one way to take a collectors item off the market. It's neglect in the end. I think this is the place for me to find it and to keep this Parker going. Am I a cocky novice selfish pig? Yea.....I like looking at this fine piece of craftmanship.
So far, this site seems happy with what I have done with the gun since 1991. A pretty good stretch for no nicks, cuts, scars, or calouses. The gun is yours at fair market....when I think I can't take care of it anymore, or I grab my chest and stop breathing. At that point, it's up to you contacting my wife. But, you need to list something for her so she can contact you. Consider yourself at the top of the list when she has some way to contact you. The priority....the gun will end up in good hands somewhere.
Roger, thanks for your interest.
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 04:33 pm |
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| Roger - Was it just the video you didn't get to see? Are you 56K?
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 10:25 pm |
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Did this rambling post (above) make any sense to anybody?
My mother, who wouldn't allow a gun collection in the house was careful to see that this Parker was and needed to be in a credible place. She was glad that I took it. It's people like me (inheriters) who can reduce a collectors market. I'm hear to take care of my dad's Parker.......and "no information" is abortion. It takes a notch out of the "C" in PGCA. It's one way to take a collectors item off the market. It's neglect in the end. I think this is the place for me to find it and to keep this Parker going.
More simply put......When a gun falls into the hands of someone by inheritence, the ones most likely to survive are the ones with family history that eventually make it to a collector. long live the gun in the right hands.All here probably have their dad's gun. A widow, a son, a daughter, a sibling that has no interest....will park it in a closet, garage, an attic. It's future is doomed to be parts. Ashame that the whole gun can't stay in tact.
This website can change that. It has....even for a Parker 101 person like me.
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 12:26 am |
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Tom, only the video is all that my computer won't handle.
Thanks,,,,,Roger
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 01:20 am |
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Roger - For your viewing pleasure go to:
http://www.mcnefffamily.com/dadsgun56k/dadsgun56k.htm
I will keep it on a webpage for the next 10 days due to a shortage of web space. The larger video will remain. After 10 days, I can still put it back up at anyones request. The larger video will remain. The smaller video appears more shakey due to its size. The hand at the top of this page that you previously referenced was the culprit. I usually leave that hand in a drawer, and pull it out on Thursdays.......only to scratch a few things. Let me know if you have any trouble view. i can still tweek it down.
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 01:52 pm |
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Request - Could someone go to the broadband video that I post at
http://www.mcnefffamily.com/dadsgun/dadsgun.htm
and review the case coloring of the gun as to how much blue might be left?
Also, is the amber coloring that you see in places just a normal wear for this gun made in 1924?
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 02:11 pm |
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Case colors are usually in pink, rose, blue, and straw, so the amber( straw) is normal for original Parkers. These lighter colors are absent if the frame is re-color case hardened by the modern cyanide method. If done correctly by bone charcoal, they can be reproduced.
Its hard to give a percentage, but yours clearly has a high percent left. From the video, I'd say at least 75% but it may be higher. There was too much reflection for me to tell.
I think yours is a collector quality V grade. Many V's were heavily used and show it, but yours is in high original condition. Nice gun and I hope you keep it, care for it and use it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 02:48 pm |
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| Bruce - Thanks for your comments. Your last sentence was most important as to firing the gun and previously noted by Roger Giles. Its been awhile for this one. While I've managed to keep it pretty.........using the gun for what it is intended is the fun part and still a part of the of the maintenance as well. That is where I hoping to go with this..........to put this gun back out in the woods.
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 11:08 pm |
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This is the only surviving 16mm video of dad's wedding day. Only 9-10 people were at the wedding. No pics of the wedding to speak of. This was it for the day as far as we know. The video will be up for 2 days because of web space constraints. Dad picked up his Parker at my grandfather's that afternoon.
http://www.mcnefffamily.com/weddingday56k/weddingday56k.htm
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 11:58 pm |
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| Tom, you win, I'll buy the gun. The wedding video was what changed my mind. You are some salesman. Let me know where to send the check. I was always in love with the gun but now I realize I have to own it. Bill
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 03:08 am |
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Bill.....Bill.....Bill.....Bill.....Bill. I have to inform you that Roger Giles has presented himself as the 1st interested party should I decide to sell the gun. He didn't do it with flowers. He didn't do it with candy. (But, now that you are here with your intention, I can now say....)......he did it by insulting a my "no nicks, cuts, scars, or calouses hand" that I keep in my drawer and bring out only on Thursdays. While Roger is now on thin ice, I AM an honorable man. Bill, I hope you will accept the number 2 slot...... and should Roger not be able to hold the crown, you will take his place.
This helps the big one of my 3 concerns. I think this gun sells itself. I would never need to be the saleman. But, for me to know that eventually this gun will fall into GOOD hands is why I am here and not at a John Q Public gunshop or pawnshop. The ultimate surprise to me to this to date at this site was that the 2 offerings of interest have come from 2 people who seemed very quick to tell a story about their dad's. Not too shabby in my book.
My 2nd phase is to bring myself up to snuff in using, and caring for this gun for dove hunting since I now seem to have opportunities to do that here. I sure would like to hold an keep dad's gun to do that.....and.....I.....might.....even.....wear.....a.....tie!
My last phase is a reality check. Do I feel comfortable keeping a gun of this stature. By stature, I mean quality of the gun and its memories being in my hands. The end story here is that I sell it for fair market cash........or a lesser Parker that I would feel more comfortable with taking into the woods plus cash difference. Either way, dad's gun goes into good hands. By what I read at this website, I have a long way to go before I can stand next to Roger Giles and Bill Murphy.
For the time being, I just ask that you get me out into the woods so that I can fire this gun.
Thanks again Bill
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 06:07 pm |
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I know I'm going to be out of pocket for the next 2 weeks or so, which makes this probably a good time to ask about gun cleaning products.
My basic cleaning of this Parker these past several years has been to wipe down the gun with leaving only enough to coat and protect. I have left a little more in the barrels to a little larger degree because the gun was about to be restored (as in put-away), and not used. It was stored reclined to insure that any oil in the barrels didn't didn't go back to the action area of the gun. That was just a precaution. Even if the gun had been standing, I don't believe any oil would have gotten back there anyway. I just know that too much oil can do damage.
I have since found that the gun cleaning box I show in this thread was homemade. The belt loop hole to make the handle was a giveaway. Don't know why I didn't notice before. The box stays, but most it's contents have been emptied (bore sponges, powder solvent, non-freeze oil pencil, etc). Some were as old and shot as the cleaning pictured below. I know that it's easy for me to just step out and buy a new shotgun cleaning kit, but by all that I have read to date there are new products to that apply differently and clean better.
What I am asking for, since there is so much choice in good or possibly bad.....If someone was just give me a shopping list to replace my tossed items that are "Parker favored". No need for explanation of each (unless there is a need). That could take a lot of time. The list would be my homework.
Has been along time since I have cleaned a gun after hunting and shooting. Therefore, I will make sure that it is done in the presence of someone who has done it more times than I have bought a McDonald's hamburger in the past 40 years.
And finally, I'm in Texas humidity. A new gun bag recommedation would be appreciated as well.
As for the picture below. I will keep that item for when I pass away. I will personally hand it to God to clean the backsides of people who rip people off on internet gun auctions. Destry..........you will get your revenge!
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Posted: Sat Jul 9th, 2005 11:03 pm |
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CORRECTION TO ABOVE
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If someone was just give me a shopping list to replace my tossed items that are "Parker favored".
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If someone would just give me a shopping list (Parker favored) to replace my tossed items.
After living in Texas this long, I hope I have made sense between the words "oil" and "all". Sorry for any inconvenience.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13th, 2005 02:35 pm |
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Tom, to answer an earlier post of yours requesting info about how to contact me the following applies C. Roger Giles 230 Midvale Ave. Toledo Ohio, 43605, 419 698 9938, croger230@aol
However, I will be moving soon so the street address which I have not memorized yet and a new internet addy will be posted as soon as my memory starts to function again.
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Posted: Fri Jul 15th, 2005 09:25 pm |
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Hi Roger - Sorry to be this late to respond. I recorded the above info. This has been the first time I have been able to get back to this site and catch up on some reading here.
I have found a shooting range (American Shooting Center) close to my house and was hoping to venture there with dad's Parker this weekend. Dad and I used to occationally shoot clays, but not in quit so fancy a surrounding. We used to head out to a place we hunted, but in a more open area, and with the same rules of engagement as we had in the woods ..........(keep shots off the ground so the farm animals could live see another day). I remember the clays going out by............excuse my English............a "HAND-held gizzmo". It had a handle. But that is the extent of my memory. Couldn't begin to discribe the rest of it. I have a feeling that it might have been in the trunk of the last car my dad owned.
Anyway, the storms this weekend dampen any idea of shooting the gun. Would't mind just stepping out into the back yard to get a couple shots off, but I can't see the neighbors or the HPD understanding my Parker enthusiasm.
Please tell me the Mud Hens are still in Toledo.
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Posted: Sun Jul 17th, 2005 01:16 am |
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Tom, the Mud Hens are still in Toledo and as a matter of fact my wife was to a game Thurs. evening. She is a baseball nut, Mud Hens and the Detroit Tigers.
A blue rock hand thrower was opperated by my dad while coaching me on my shooting lessons. Over the years we wore out that thing having a fun time at all kinds of trickery tosses ie springing teal, rabbits, and I think we had a good start at a type of modern day wobble trap.
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