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Travis Sims
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 11:59 pm |
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| Which would be your choice for a restocking of a G grade? Last edited on Thu Mar 6th, 2008 11:59 pm by Travis Sims
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 12:47 am |
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| Is French in the running??
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 01:06 am |
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| I think American Black Walnut was the traditional wood used on the G-grade for both Parker Bros. guns as well as Remington Parkers. . . Herr Kaas . ? Last edited on Fri Mar 7th, 2008 01:07 am by Dean Romig
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 02:49 am |
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| Dean......i think your right, but i do like Claro! I do want something thats approiate and not too much figure. Like one that came out of Meriden around 1899.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 01:48 pm |
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Travis following are several pictures of SN 155,033 ,a 1910 GHE 12/30 D2 gun, which is my field gun. Its correct, and original black walnut. I have seen some plainer, a few others with more figure, but if you attempt to duplicate this look and wood, the gun will be right. Parker Bros purchased walnut in Des Moines from trees in Iowa and northern Missouri, which seems to be the preferred region.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 02:27 pm |
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| Travis, I can recommend Johnson Wood products of Strawberry point,Iowa for Iowa grown walnut in every grade or I have a bunch of blanks cut 35 yeqrs ago and sawn by Johnsons that would be appropriate for a G grade.They were sawn from trees that the local sportsmans club sold to a veneer company so they could buy the rifle range land outright.Tell me what you want and I will ship you one on approval and the price will be right if you want it.I have about 6000 feet of walnut in my stash including about 60 blanks.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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Bruce.........thanks for posting the photos! I do want to duplicate as close as possible. I think Parker put very nice figure into there G & P grade guns.
Robert.........thanks! I'll get with ya on the wood.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 03:30 pm |
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Travis, if you can get old growth, well seasoned wood from Mr Delk, that is a good deal. Lots of the black walnut stock blanks you see today are inferior to what Parker bought in 1900.
Robert, I was born in Cedar Rapids, school at Cornell and U of IA, relatives in Manchester, Marion, CR, Ft Dodge, etc. NE IA is very pleasant. I've ridden RAGBRAI and it gets better and better.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 03:57 pm |
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Yeah, I think the bigger,read older trees, make better stocks. I think the greater size leads to more density and a better blank. I have gotten good usable wood, for most projects, out trees only 12-14 inches in diameter but for blanks I like the older trees 30 or more inches in diameter. That said good wood is where you find it and has to be judged in the flesh,so to speak. Lots of big trees have lots of flaws and usually right where the figuring is. I have had a lot of crotches sawn up to only end up with wood fit for knife handles or pistol grips. I make a lot of picture frames and odds and ends using small pieces of fancy wood for accents.
I live 15 miles south of Waterloo in LaPorte City. There are a lot of big old walnut trees here in town and last year several were cut down. I keep an eye out for any that might end up for firewood but they all went to mills to be used.The local veneer mill is even buying town trees. I guess even more effective metal detection is making it safe to buy a tree that might have had a clothes line post nailed to it at one time.This is good news for those of us who hate to see a tree turned into firewood.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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| Dean, Herr Kaas must be honoring the last of the southern quail seasons as we speak. However, were he to post on this subject, he would state that the occasional Grade 2 or G Grade gun is shod in Juglans Regia. I have two such in my collection and I'm sure he and others also have examples. The wood is of wonderful color and contrast but with less than outrageous black streaking. Claro? I don't think so. Sheldon, thanks for bringing up the Juglans Regia possibility. That would be my choice. Last edited on Fri Mar 7th, 2008 06:40 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:11 pm |
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I would have expected that exact response from Don. I have four or five G grades and they all sport the American Black Walnut (juglans regia) from the almost straight grained to the more figured grains.
I also have a 1941 Winchester 94 in original high condition with a very nice piece of American Black Walnut crotch wood showing some very unusual figure (for a 94) behind the wrist.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:28 pm |
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Travis, pictured below are examples of G grade stocks that I am in the process of refinishing. These are my personal guns and were "bottom feeders" with little or no original finish remaining. I like to find early damascus guns that have all the original parts but little original finish. The prices I paid for these guns ranged from $500 to $800. I generally restore them completely and turn them into nice shooters.
I only deviate from Parker finishing methods in one respect. I finish the stocks using the London oil and slackum process. This finish takes more time and skill to apply but I just can't bring myself to use any other method. I have checkered the stock on the right with the proper 22 lpi and cut the mullered borders. The others will soon follow. Just a note Travis.....whoever you have do the checkering make absolutely sure that the person can do flawless work and cuts the correct mullered border. This is important. Nothing looks as hideous, in my opinion, as a Parker with less than perfect re-checkering. Parker was the best at this and original guns are flawlessly executed, even the Trojan.
Except for the #3 frame gun second from the right, these stocks are typical G grade issue. Also, is a picture of the barrels of these guns in one of my rust cabinets.
By the way, I much prefer to leave the wood on the metal when refinishing and then strip the gun and then remove the finish that has gotten on the metal after the stocks are completed.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:55 pm |
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| Dean, your Parkers with the American Black Walnut would be stocked in Juglans Nigra, not Juglans Regia.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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Tom.............thanks for posting the pics! I do want the stock done as close to original as possible. Maybe i get you to do the checkering?
BTW..........i appreciate the nice looking rust!
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 08:38 pm |
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Nice, honest, unbutchered guns, Tom. The third position gun has unusually nice wood for a G. I like the dogs head butt plates .
They were popular, some 18,000 made and if you have one and use one for a while, its understandable. Not the fanciest, but nice looking enough, great barrels, good balance, superb workmanship, and reliability.
Sure , some G's had J. regia wood, but its rare. Almost all had J. nigro, blackwalnut.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 08:38 pm |
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Bill Murphy wrote: Dean, your Parkers with the American Black Walnut would be stocked in Juglans Nigra, not Juglans Regia.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 08:45 pm |
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| Well, at least we know you don't have any ugly guns, Dean.
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