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Harry Sanders
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:18 am |
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:21 am |
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| I have no idea whether they are "original". Most of use know Remington began to use black walnut on higher grade guns in the late '30s. It would not surprise me to see nice juglans nigra on a later Meriden Parker Bros. gun. The SC looks a lot like my 34" straight grip SC. I have nothing whatsoever against nigra, just for the record..I just prefer regia...
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:46 am |
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Can some one post a picture of the junglis regia. I would like to see the difference. Thanks
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 01:00 am |
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Harry,
It's not fair to hold back! What's the rest of that G look like?
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Harry Sanders
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 01:28 am |
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Some very minor pitting in the bores and a few spots on the breecha balls and belly and also case is mostly Deep blue and purple to the smoke you see. Came to me in a round about way, but was owned by a man my father worked for in the 40's
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 03:13 am |
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| Harry, really hard to tell by a couple of photo's but it looks sorta OK to me.
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 03:30 am |
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Ok after researching on the net I think I have this figured out. Juglans regia is English Walnut and Junglans nigra is American Black Walnut. Claro is California walnut. Is this all correct?
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Don Kaas
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:09 pm |
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| Claro is juglans hindsii. So called "California black walnut" is juglans hindsii found in the wild or as specimen trees. i.e. not grown in orchards-it is not American or Eastern black walnut-juglans nigra. Some very nice juglans regia (english walnut) is grown in California, however. You should not only describe walnut by its place of origin but also by its species. Much like grapes (a cabernet grape from New Zealand may differ from a one grown in France but they are the same variety) j. regia grown in New Zealand may differ from that grown in France but they are the same species and have primary characteristics in common. Last edited on Mon Mar 10th, 2008 12:22 am by Don Kaas
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 04:57 pm |
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Thank you Don. This clears up some questions that I have have for a long time. I should have put it together before.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 12:14 am |
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| Ben, your request for pictures that show the "difference" is still being thrown around in the minds of the readers. There are thousands of different characteristics of individual pieces of wood. Some American looks like English and some English looks like American. Some individual stocks are identified incorrectly by "experts". To get a quick education on identifying the difference between Nigra and Regia, go to wood dealers' websites and look at a lot of pictures. You will learn very quickly. Last edited on Mon Mar 10th, 2008 12:57 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 03:12 am |
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Bill Murphy wrote: The big question is "Are these guns original?" I think they are, but I could be wrong.
Bill, the stock on my SC is original. I've had the stock off the gun to clean the action and the stock has the typical Parker look including the serial number under the trigger guard. Its a 1928 gun before Remington so the black walnut stock is a bit of a puzzle but it was probably used because of the nice figure.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 03:14 am |
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Thanks Bill. I did that very thing. I see what you mean. I do believe that I have now identified the wood on the Parkers that I own. This is an other facinating venue of Parker collecting. I am sure it will give me a reason to get another gun or guns. Collecting guns of various grade with different factory wood. Now to convice my wife that this is important.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 03:23 am |
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| By the way Bill, I once owned a nice high condition totally original 1921 DHE that had a very nicely figured piece of black walnut, somewhat similar to the SC. I gave that gun as a gift to the son of my Pawling friend who inherited the property I have hunted all my life. His father doesn't hunt and so I took it on myself to get the boy started. I took him for his NRA safety course and taught him to shoot and hunt. He killed his first deer and turkey with me by his side. He never became very interested in partridge gunning and so I have that all to myself on the property although he does kill pheasants when they wander onto the airstrip. He loves that Parker though and has vowed never to sell it.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 07:19 pm |
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 07:50 pm |
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Rob Bergh wrote: Bruce,
Your '39 C is quite beautiful! What's the story on the case that it's housed in?
Rob
Marvin Huey case. None better being made today.
But that darn Murphy got me onto Heiser cases, so I keep looking for a fully tooled Heiser case for either a shotgun or a split cane fly rod.
In response to Murphy's question, the 1939 C is fully original, serialed numbered stock, etc, but I put a couple topcoats of french polish on it because wood was showing through on the grip and forend. The finish is still thin on the stock cheeks. I also had the left hammer spring replaced. No Rem repair codes. Some have sold at surprisingly high prices that were not as nice as this. 2" DAH, 14 1/4" to a SSBP. And its the last C in the books and one of the last high grades in the books.
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 11:42 pm |
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Bruce,
Just checked out Marvin Huey's website. WOW! I have good taste!! Those cases are absolutely gorgeous (and priced accordingly). Someday I'd love to have one made up for my little VH 28ga.
Thanks for the info,
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 01:00 am |
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| Bruce, I have a Heiser fly rod case that holds about seven taken down rods. It is fully tooled, but the cap end has come unstitched. I would rather not fix it. I think it is almost unused but the stitching somehow got aged. I once turned down about the same amount of money I will charge you. You will never see another like it. I will deliver it to you at the Southern or the Vintagers if you want it. I was going to turn it into a shotgun case but I am way too old to worry about a project like that. I have complete provenance on the case. It belonged to Lester Ruwe of Grosse Point Shores. Sorry I guess I have to have a few bucks more than I once turned down for the case. That was a few years ago, but it is still a deal. Last edited on Tue Mar 11th, 2008 01:04 am by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 02:17 am |
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There are a lot of Parkers in Huey cases, and it seems many who bought Repros in the white and had them done by Churchill or Gournet had Huey cases made.
Visiting Marvin Huey's shop is a wonderful experience. Once while there I noticed they were doing reconstruction work on a British double gun case, had all the accessories, worn and musty, no gun in it but the owner had it. The case was initialed B v.B. von Blixen, of Africa fame. I've seen Rigbys , H & H big bores, Purdey case reconstructions, lots of nice guns. Just make sure if you are going to have a Huey case made, that the gun is a long term treasure for you.
Bill, please email me at bday@daylaw.us with particulars, case length, photos if you have them and price. Hope it will accomodate a two piece 7'9" rod ( 4'). I didn't think LOM and those long cases could be better than a Red Head or Brauer, but you said the Heiser was a step above, and you were correct.
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James P. Brown, Jr.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 03:07 pm |
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| Mista Kaas mentioned that Remington began to use black walnut on higher grade guns in the late thirtys. Pictured is a "C" grade early 241 serial number range that I think is an example. Attached Image (viewed 151 times):
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