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Robert Delk
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:11 pm |
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| From observing Parkers pictured on the internet lately,it looks like Parker used nice grades of American walnut up through the G grades and then went to thin shelled walnut for D and up almost exclusively. Has any one seen an original C grade or better with American walnut?
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Bruce Day
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:33 pm |
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Bob, yes but its uncommon. However, late Rem Parker C and D grades were often in J . nigra. I have a late C that I believe is black walnut, although I am not a wood expert. I had a 1928 DHE Double Trap in black walnut, and surprisingly, the checkering was not cut with mullered borders, and neither were several other Double Traps I have seen.
By "thin shell" I assume you mean Juglans regia, which Parker called Circassian walnut. Thin shell can also mean California walnut, J. hindsii, but I am not aware that Parker ever used that.
Now that Claro walnut is what Parker Repros used. Some have complained that it is too brittle and Donnie Gemes, a stocker I know out here, says he has replaced lots of them.
Here's a 1939 C . I don't know what this is.
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Tom Flanigan
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:37 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: The third position gun has unusually nice wood for a G.
Bruce, that gun was ordered on May 4, 1893 and shipped on August 31, 1893 to Tufts Lyon Arms Company in Los Angeles. A "dark stock" was requested according to the factory letter. Below is a picture of the butt plate of this gun. I can't begin to imagine the use this gun must have experienced to wear the butt plate like that. The interesting thing about this gun is that although all the finish was worn off, it was still in very good condition with perfect untouched bores (except for a bit of light frosting) and no rust anywhere. The gun was obviously heavily used but well taken care of. This is the kind of gun I like to find. This one is going to stay in my collection and I'll probably take it to Saskatchewan next year. I've got to keep the old gem shooting.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:51 pm |
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| Tom, the G I showed was all carry wear and no use wear. That gun went to Vancouver BC and spent its whole life in BC until I imported it. My G and your second position G could have stocks cut from the same log.
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Tom Flanigan
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:51 pm |
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Black walnut on my 1928 SC.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Bruce Day wrote: My G and your second position G could have stocks cut from the same log.
Bruce, the second position G is the gun that I am going to sent to Jeff. The barrels were brown but not rusted and the original finish was still intact to a great extent although greatly faded. Consequently, I am not doing a total refinish and am darkening the iron portions to deep black but keeping some of the evidence of age intact. This is going to be a really nice shooter.
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Ben Yarian
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:11 pm |
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How is it that the wood is such a nice red and black? The black I can understand, but I love that redish look. I have seen other stocks, some G grade that do not have that nice redish look.
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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Alkanet stain.
Tom, wouldn't that commercial alkanet stain work? The stuff that DGJ sells in a bottle?
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 10:36 pm |
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| Ben, when I refinish a gun I generally help the wood a bit if needed. For the needs of each individual stock I mix nigrosine, teresine and logwood powders to produce a stain. The color of the stain is specific to the individual stock I am working on and I like to add just a touch of logwood to bring out some understated red tinge as is common on London guns and some Parkers. I used alkanet root in the past just like the English finishers but I can get the same effect without all the fuss of alkanet. The alkanet root has to be boiled in linseed oil and then put in a jar with the root to age for about a month. The problem is that if you don't watch the linseed oil and don't take it off the stove as soon as it begins to boil, it will boil over and can start a fire very easily.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 12:53 pm |
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| Bruce, I've never used any of the London type stock finish stuff sold on DGJ. I did try some Purdey alkanet oil once but it was much too light and did little to darken the stock or bring out the grain. Not properly put up at all, in my opinion. The oil has to age with the root in it for a period before it can be used.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 09:46 pm |
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Actually Bill, I was shooting released mallards in MD on my way to view a sporting property on the VA Eastern Shore. The answer is most G's as we have seen are stocked in Juglans nigra but more than a few were stocked in Juglans regia. Claro is the choice of pimps much as George Patton stated pearl grips were...
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 10:18 pm |
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Yeah, I know. I got rid of my gold tooth and whole stable of babes when I sold my Parker Repro. But maybe Dean, Bill and many others can bring their entourage to the Southern along with their Claro stocked Repros.
Now I need to tell a good friend of mine that that wonderfully engraved one of a kind S&W .38 he just bought with the mother of pearl grips makes him look like a pimp. I don't relish the thought.
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Rob Bergh
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 10:58 pm |
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Bruce,
Your '39 C is quite beautiful! What's the story on the case that it's housed in?
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 11:14 pm |
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| I'm interested in the take that Don has on Bruce's and Tom's Juglans Nigra stocked CHE and SC guns. They sure are nice looking guns. My assumption is that PB and RAC went into the wood racks for good looking wood when an order came in for a "real nice looking stock". I guess the guy selecting the wood didn't look for wood by its pedegree, but by its appearance when trying to keep a customer happy. I am looking forward to Don's take and maybe some other PGCA types who know or are willing to give an opinion. The big question is "Are these guns original?" I think they are, but I could be wrong.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Some early G's were fitted with nice Circassian. I don't recall the specificsnow but I do know that G's were available with Circassian or Am Black.
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 11:30 pm |
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| Harry, my computer is broken. How did that happen?
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Harry Sanders
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:07 am |
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Posted: Sun Mar 9th, 2008 12:10 am |
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| Must have been the picture of your wonderful G Grade.
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