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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Jun 28th, 2005 10:13 pm |
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| Congratulations to Sherman Bell and Tom Armbrust for the wonderful article in the just arrived Summer 2005 Double Gun Journal. From information in another thread, we suspect that Harry Collins apparently will make these destroyed barrels available for our inspection at the Chantilly show in late July. Sherman makes blowing up guns sound like as much fun as it would be if we were still twelve years old. I will not describe the particulars awaiting the arrival of reader's issues of DGJ. I couldn't wait. I drove to a friend's house who was in possession of an author's advance copy. Who knows when my copy will get here. Last edited on Wed Jun 29th, 2005 12:41 pm by Bill Murphy
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Dean Romig
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Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2005 02:53 am |
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WOW, a 1905 issue! That's gotta be a rare collectible already.
Didn't you do that 1905 thing a week or so ago too? ...Bill? 
Dean 
Aw Gee, Bill ...Ya went and changed it! That's no fair!
Now I look like the dummy. 
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2005 12:41 pm |
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| Dean, I have absolutely no idea of what you refer. Heh Heh!
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Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2005 01:22 pm |
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Ah, Marco Polo travels again!!
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2005 02:50 pm |
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| Regardless of the fun we're having, the latest issue of DGJ will also be enjoyed by all. Even the Stuart Williams "injection" is worth a brief scan. I can't believe Mr. Cote doesn't have something in the hopper that is not "advertising in thin disguise". Bill Wise, James Tyson, and the late Hans Pfingsten have outdone themselves. Even Mr. Headrick has briefly gone beyond the camera for a historic vignette that we should enjoy. PGCA member Robert Faddis describes his early Titanic barrel AH grouse gun, thankfully with PGCA documentation pictured and explained, in addition to a misplaced Pine Cone repro catalog. Mr. Royce Faddis' camera work is a real blessing. Thankfully, both he and my friend Mr. Berle Cherney received "author credit" for their excellent photographic support. Last edited on Wed Jun 29th, 2005 03:15 pm by Bill Murphy
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C Roger Giles
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Posted: Sat Jul 2nd, 2005 12:53 am |
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Who all have recieved their DGJ? Bill remarked the other day that he had his and was passing along tidbits of info on articles in the issue. Traverse City is only 250 miles due North of me and I am waiting for my copy. What is with the US Postal service in TC, they must take really long 3 Martini lunch hours.
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Posted: Sat Jul 2nd, 2005 01:41 am |
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| Roger, If you lived that close to Good Country (ask Rich, et al.), it would be hard to find you home with or without martini.
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Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 04:56 am |
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| I haven't received mine yet. It will be very interesting to see what the failure pressures are. The Damascas was 29000 and 30,000. If the fluid steel isn't any higher.............
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Posted: Sun Jul 3rd, 2005 12:45 pm |
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| I have yet to receive either DGJ or Parker Pages. Destry and Eric have had Parker Pages for over a month. I would expect DGJ shortly.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Mon Jul 4th, 2005 01:25 pm |
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I do want to have these barrels displayed with the Damascus ones and will happily send them along, but to whom? I will be in the Christiansburg/Blacksburg Virginia area in mid July and could pass them off to someone from there going to the show.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Mon Jul 4th, 2005 08:05 pm |
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| I suggested Mark Conrad because he is our trusted "research committee". He is in tidal Virginia, a long way from Blacksburg. A manual handoff may be difficult. To answer the DGJ questions, the copy I read was an advance copy. I usually get mine weeks after advance copies. I will let you know when I get my regular copy.
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 08:51 pm |
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I sent the barrels to Mark Conrad in Virginia Beach today and was told that he should receive them this Friday. Mark said that he was in communication with Charles Herzog to send along the blown Damascus barrels so that both sets would be available for view at the annual meeting. I received DGJ today and as I suspected the Damascus barrels were just as strong as Vulcan Steel. I'm still going to baby the Twist barrels with 5,400 psi loads, but the Damascus guns may go on the same diet as as the fluid steel guns. Oh, if your not going to take your Damascus Parkers out of the closet and show them off and shoot birds with them, send them to me. Sherman has enough.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 09:25 pm |
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| Sherman still has to do a #2 frame Twist gun and a #2 frame Bernard gun to satisfy our curiousity. Then he can start on the smallbores. I wonder what it would take to blow up a ten gauge three frame with 12 gauge tightly fitted chamber inserts? There is a lot of strength and a lot of wall thickness there.
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 09:40 pm |
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Harry, I've been banging away standard 12 ga trap loads through G grade Damascus for quite some time. The thick barrels don't heat up as much as the thinner fluid steel barrels. And I know Charlie Herzog buys any shells whatever and uses them.
Another myth bites the dust.
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 10:06 pm |
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| I understand that the fluid steel barrels blew at a bit over 31,000 psi meaning they were about 5% stronger than the Damascus barrels tested earlier. I presume these were also #2 frame and presume they were also ejector guns which reduces the strength a bit. These are only two data points but were accurately arrived at. VERY interesting.
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Jul 6th, 2005 10:42 pm |
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| HUH?
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 12:50 am |
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| Huh, what?
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Harry Collins
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 02:40 am |
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Pete,
You have to get a copy of DGJ. To encapsulate, the guns (GH & VH) were of the same year production, the same frame (#2) size and both were extractor. Both barrels on the VH went at the exact same pressure as one of the barrels of the GH. The other barrel of the GH went at a pressure slightly less. At this level of abuse the question of a difference of pressure is mute. I hope you are able to attend the annual meeting and handle these barrels. The GH (Damascus), as you will see, are less dramatically destroyed than the VH (Vulcan Steel) and in my opinion more up to the task.
Humbly, Harry Collins
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Posted: Thu Jul 7th, 2005 11:32 am |
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| Harry, you are to be commend for sacrificing even a humble VH for Parker "science". Now we need to blow up Parker,Titanic ,Peerless,Acme and a Remington steel barrels to see if they outlast Vulcan...
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Posted: Fri Jul 8th, 2005 04:26 am |
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God shoots an LC so they won't blow. But the interesting point is that the strength of the two barrel types is virtually identical. As that continues to get out, our cheap old damascus barreled guns will continue to get more expensive. It should not be unexpected since until it was difficult to obtain Damascus barrels, there was no manufacturer that pushed the strength of steel over Damascus. That and these tests tells us a lot.
I think turn of the century guns should ALL use light loads like the 1Oz 1150 FPS 4200 psi IMR load.
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