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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 04:18 pm |
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| Good Afternoon all, I have a Parker Shotgun that I am trying to learn more about and to place a value on it. This is what I know of the shotgun. it has a serial number of 228647. It was first sold in 1928. This was to my Grandfather who died in 1936. Since my father did not hunt, this shotgun has probabily not been used since the 30's or 40's. It appears in excellent condition less some cleaning up and a rubber shoulder pad that has deterioated. On the barrell, it has Titanic Steel instead of Damascus Steel. If anyone has interest in discussing this with me, I would appreciate it. Also I have pictures
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 04:56 pm |
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Its a 1928 made DH and should be a nice gun of value unless it has been terribly abused. You need to tell us the gauge unless the gun is in the Serialization Book and somebody here has access to it. There is a large block of guns in the 228xxx range for which records are not available. Posting photos will help. Collectors are generally reticent to state a value without actually examining the gun. You can look at sales sites such as gunbroker.com, or some of the dealer sites here to see what others are asking for comparables.
The best we can quickly tell you is that Parkers then and now have value unless abused and are more valuable than most new guns available. You have a medium grade gun and there will be Parkers less and more valuable than yours. If it is in high condition, and depending upon the configuration and gauge , it could be quite valuable and should treated as such.
The PGCA offers a research letter service that may even mention your grandfather as original purchaser, or more likely, identify the dealer from whom he bought the gun. Our automatic quick check shows research records are available for the gun. See our intro page if you are interested.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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| Thank you Bruce for the insight. Each piece of information I get gives me better understanding of what I have. Attached Image (viewed 619 times):
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:22 pm |
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| J, be careful with your "cleaning up" methods. Don't remove any of the original patina from metal or wood or you will seriously devalue the gun.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:32 pm |
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| If you give a couple of shots of the sides of the reciever and of the buttstock that would help too. Again be carefull of cleaning as Frank said. Eric
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:33 pm |
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| Attached is another pic for review Attachment: 100_5837v2.JPG (Downloaded 711 times)
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:53 pm |
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| side of buttstock Attachment: 100_5830v2.JPG (Downloaded 591 times)
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:54 pm |
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 06:55 pm |
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| Nice gun. I would just rub it with an oily rag and clean and oil the bores at this time.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 07:01 pm |
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| The serialization book lists your gun as a 16 gauge with automatic shell ejectors and 28 inch barrels. This is a very coveted combination, especially with the straight English grip stock which your gun has. A letter of provenance from PGCA would be likely only to confirm the originality of the features but not give any information about the original owner, retailer, or wholesaler of your gun. Such information is usually available on guns made in 1919 or before, but not on guns made as late as 1928. Your gun, if in fact a fairly high condition 16 gauge, is worth in mid to high four figures.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 07:16 pm |
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Mr Bennett, the photos have been helpful, but of course we want more. It looks to be a very nice gun, I can't determine the barrel length, I'd guess at 30", but it is an ejector model, a DHE of late Parker Bros manufacture, and highly desireable. I would not do anything to it except keep a thin oil film on the metal to prevent further corrosion, and it looks like it has just a touch of rust.
The pad is deteriorated, and if you intend to use the gun I would replace that with a Silvers pad, which is period correct, or if you really get into this, find a new old spare Hawkins , No Shoc or Jostam duplicative of what is on it now. Keep the old pad. Don't put on a modern pad which is not period correct, such as a white line Pachmyer, unless it is one of the few guns that came originally with such pad. Be very careful about having anything done to a Parker by neighborhood gunsmiths instead of those few who are experts in Parkers. Depending on where you live, our members may suggest certain good people. l
The gun looks to be a 12ga. ( it appears Bill Murphy was able to look it up and determine its a 16 ga . Bill knows his Parkers and is one of our experts . A 16 ga is now considered a small bore, and that places value even higher. Bill is also correct and I was wrong about records from those years showing original purchaser/dealers.)
I won't tell you value, but I will say it is a valuable and desireable gun, and please refer to our dealer sites accessible from this website to see what the dealers are asking for comparables. I hope you intend to keep the gun , rather than selling a family heirloom, and invite you to join the PGCA and learn more about these fascinating and useful articles of American artistry and manufacture at their best. If you do decide to sell it, I'm sure you will find a ready market. There are many, me included, who appreciate straight stock 16ga medium to high grade guns.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 09:27 pm |
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The gun appears to be a DH. But where are the drop points on the butt stock? Could the butt be a replacement? The answer may lie beneath the trigger guard. The gun appears to be in nice condition. I would disassemble, clean, lacquer the receiver, oil, reassemble, replace the butt pad, and dress any screws that are buggered.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 10:19 pm |
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| What do you mean by "Drop points" on the buttstock.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 10:24 pm |
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| J, Go to Puglisis in the dealer page and look at a D grade parker butt stock and you will see the teardrops at the back of the side panels. Definitely looks like a replacement stock to me...RW
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 10:41 pm |
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JBennett
As you have no doubt figured out, you came to the right place for advice. That is a gorgeous gun and in great shape considering how long it was 'in a closet'.It looks like what it needs most is a good thorough cleaning, likely inside and out. It's great to see that these nice guns are still coming out of closets. The guys on this site are giving you good advice and will continue to do so as long as you need it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 11:10 pm |
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| I have attached a picture of the buttstock. It looks original. But...you tell me. Attached Image (viewed 608 times):
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 11:11 pm |
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Posted: Fri Nov 24th, 2006 11:39 pm |
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| Mr. Bennett it appears you have a very nice DHE 16 gage which may have had the stock replaced at some point. As mentioned the drop points are missing but also most if not all the D's I have seen have a silver oval in the stock rather than the little badge shaped emblem which is found on lower grades. Check on the bottom of the barrel lug to see what the frame size is. If it is an 0 frame that would add to the value. Larry
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Posted: Sat Nov 25th, 2006 01:09 pm |
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| The gun, as others have suggested, has probably been restocked in a lower grade Parker stock or in a stock not made by Parker with a shield in the bottom of the stock that is similar or identical to the shield installed in a Parker stock of lower than DHE Grade. This could take a big chunk out of the gun's value but it is still a wonderful gun worth thousands of dollars, just not as many thousands as if it were equipped with the original DHE Grade stock. Is it, in fact, a 16 gauge gun? The frame size stamp, the determination of its last few hundred dollars of value, is located on the bottom of the rear barrel lump, visible when the barrels are removed from the receiver. Tell us what number is stamped there. May be two sets of numbers, one possibly the gauge of the gun, the other the frame size.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25th, 2006 02:55 pm |
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Good Morning.
The stamp is as indicated in the picture attached. It appears to be a 16 Gauge, the barrel length is 28" and the number near the 16 is probabily a "1". But it almost looks like a 7. I will also attach a couple of other pictures in seperate communications
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