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Steve Huffman
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:29 am |
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Can anyone really hit anything with a 410 ? Everyting about a 410 is $$$$$ . You always hear good kids gun or ladies gun but the average youngsters I seen dont hit much then they get upset and go back to tv games . Could buy alot of guns for what is spent on that stuff in the U.S.A I am with Greg over rated.Dont get me wrong they are beautiful but if the same man made a 410 and a 12 ga. why is the 410 2 to 3 times more ?
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Larry Frey
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:34 am |
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| Greg, if you see any AHE 16's for 15k that you don't want please let me know. As for shooting a .410 I let Ernie Hausmann shoot mine at the southern two years ago and he broke 41 birds on the sporting clays course which was good enough for second place. In the hands of a good shooter they can be quite effective. Larry
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:39 am |
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Larry
Was everyone using a 410 ? What took first place ? But a youngster doesnt have alot of years under his belt.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:44 am |
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| Greg I am not sure you can find a BHE 20 or an AHE16 for that kind of money anymore. The last BHE 20 I saw last fall had a higher price tag then that and it was in only fair shape, I was thinking of making an offer on it in the twelve range when someone came along and bought for full price ! Eric
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:48 am |
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| In a conversation I had with Tony Galazan at the Antique Arms Show in Las Vegas this past February we were talking about the availability of the new 16-gauge barrel sets for the 0-frame Repros, and then asked about the potential of him producing .410 00-frame barrels sets for the Parker Repros. He told me they, as well as additional 28-gauge barrels sets were already in the works and should be available within a year. He mentioned that these new .410/28-gauge barrel sets would just drop-in and require less than a minute to fit them to Parker Reproductions.
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Larry Frey
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:50 am |
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| Steve the sporting clays at the southern is split up by gages with awards for each in hammer and hammerless. All participants shoot the same course and you can bet that there were a lot of shooters with 12 gages that didn't break 41. It's true many think of the .410 as a kids or beginners gun when in fact it's really only effective in the hands of an expert shot. Larry
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Greg Connors
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:51 am |
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Larry, it doesn't have ejectors but here you are nonetheless.
http://www.merzantique.com/item.php?id=1516_0_2_0
Eric - in the last two Julia auctions there were several fine A's and B's in that range. Sure, they probably were closer to $17K but what's a couple grand...?
$20K all-in will still buy a very nice A grade Parker. I should keep my mouth shut I guess but IMO that's where the value is right now in high grade Parkers.Last edited on Wed Apr 12th, 2006 11:51 am by Greg Connors
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 12:17 pm |
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| Larry, I won the .410 event at the Southern in 2000 with my little GH Damascus 20 with Briley tubes in .410. I don't remember my score, but it was not too far off my 12 gauge score. It was a great shooting day for me, early in my career of shooting with little sight in my right eye. Our friend J.D.Shank, Smith-Parker team shooter, was about two birds off my score and no one else was close as I remember. I walked with J.D. as he shot his .410 and I have never seen anyone shoot a better round of SC with a small gun. His shooting was outrageous. Unfortunately, he was not shooting a Parker. It is probably the most important sporting clays win in my less than stellar history in the sport. I carried a few 3" shells for the long shots, but forgot I had them and never used them. I shot the course with modified and full chokes from the beginning and never changed them. We started at the parking lot end of the course and one of the first stations was an elevated stand where long trap type shots were thrown into a narrow alley into trees. After running the station with 2 1/2 inch shells and tight chokes in the gun, I never thought to change either shells or chokes for the rest of the course. All events at the Southern are shot on the same course regardless of gauge. Thank you for posting to defend the utility of our little guns. Last edited on Wed Apr 12th, 2006 12:21 pm by Bill Murphy
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 12:20 pm |
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| Greg, the Merz AH has been discussed on this site at length and there are issues that affect its value. Some day it will sell, but we will not know the price.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 12:33 pm |
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I know, Bill - but there it is, anyway. The .410 for $15900 may have issues as well.
It does amaze me how many Parkers have been tampered with in one way or another over the course of their lives. I have various rifles and a few pistols that are 50+ years old that have never been touched by a screwdriver.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 12:46 pm |
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| Bill, that is definitely a round to be proud of and you are obviously one of the experts of which I spoke. I hope to shoot a round this year with my new hammer gun but need some advise on how to adjust for the large drop. If all else fails my friend Roger could set me up with some cardboard and duct tape.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 01:10 pm |
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| Good point, Greg. When I visited the home of a gentleman who invited me over to look at his .410 VHE Skeet, my interest in competition provenance took over. We live in a hotbed of skeet in the VA-MD area, so I asked whether his uncle who had originally owned the gun was a recognized NSSA skeet shooter in our area. He replied that neither his uncle or the gun had ever been on a skeet field, but they had killed thousands of Northern Virginia quail. The gun was completely devoid of color, missing a large amount of barrel blue, and has a pretty major crack in the beavertail forend. However, not a screw had ever been touched. The gentleman told me that his uncle had explained the choice of the .410 when selecting a bird gun. As I know from researching my collection of .410 ammunition, during this period of the mid thirties, a box of short .410 shells retailed for about 51 cents. Apparently his uncle was a frugal farmer who, lucky for me, appreciated a good, strong gun that would digest inexpensive ammunition.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 03:43 pm |
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| How come the stock on that Merz 16-gauge AH-Grade doesn't look anything like the stock on 16 0-frames AH-Grade 16???
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 04:07 pm |
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The white diamond inlay on the stock of AH 16 0-frames is probably not original but maybe a PGCA research letter will have mention of it... after all, when it comes to Parkers, never say never ! 
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 05:06 pm |
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You guys have misunderstood the popular Parker Brothers quote which you think is "Never say Never". When we discuss Kevin's AH 16, the proper quote is "Never Again!".
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 06:24 pm |
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I picked up the .410 VHE at Julia's last month and she's sitting pretty next to her 28 gauge VHE sister.
Don't think I'll pull the trigger on this one, but dove season may change my mind?
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 06:56 pm |
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What's the point in having them if you don't shoot them?
Sorry I guess I'm more of a shooter than a collector. But I've seen Eric out on the skeet range with his high condition .410 VHE skeet gun and I know he even has quail hunted with it a time or two.
Guns are made to shoot, not to sit in cabinets and look pretty.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 07:19 pm |
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Greg Connors wrote: I know, Bill - but there it is, anyway. The .410 for $15900 may have issues as well.
It does amaze me how many Parkers have been tampered with in one way or another over the course of their lives. I have various rifles and a few pistols that are 50+ years old that have never been touched by a screwdriver.
I'm the first one who contacted the seller and the real dope on this one is that it is all original including the wear, the abscence of case color and the nicks and dings in the wood. Go to http://www.gamefairltd.com and enlarge the picture to see all the detail and evidence of use. It's not a "never-to-be-shot" collector's item but an hunest Parker that has been hunted.
No, I didn't buy it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 07:26 pm |
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The point of having them if you dont shoot them, hmmmmmmmmm.
Since I'm a collector and a huge bird hunter I have to put aside the investment quality guns from the shooters.
I enjoy being able to have them in my gun room and "look pretty". Why? because I choose to, want to. I've got shotguns that I have shot for years and go on all my bird hunts regardless of maker, price, or condition.
Believe it or not my friend some of us "younger" folk still know the value of collecting things.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12th, 2006 07:29 pm |
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| Hey, don't forget Eric has a V Grade that he's never even shot....
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