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Frank DAmico
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 12:51 pm |
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| some of you guys have me thinking again about the $800.00 VH 20ga I saw last week. my main concern is the barrel finish. the bores were good but the outside had been lightly rusted and buffed off and there is light pitting. as I am going to be back in the St. Peterburg area again later this week I may take another look. how deep can surface damage be and be successfully buffed off without weakening the barrels too much? is Kirk Merrington the guy for this work if it can be done? thanks
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Bill Murphy
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 01:20 pm |
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| I have a 20 gauge VH that is a bird gun to end all bird guns. The right barrel is .630 and clean but still a little less than mirror inside. That means that about .007 has been taken off the wall thickness (from original). I think I can live with that. I own a wall thickness gauge and have never bothered to measure this gun. If my gun had no barrels, it would still be worth $800. Frank, you need to buy two Galazan bore micrometers (a 10 to 16, and a 20 to 28) and a used zero to one inch micrometer or a dial indicator vernier caliper. With these simple tools and access to some Parkers to make comparisons, you can get pretty close to estimating what has really been taken off any barrel you may consider purchasing. The three measuring devices will pay for themselves the first time you pass on a bad gun.
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Frank DAmico
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 01:37 pm |
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| that's good advice for sure. what I'm trying to determine at this moment is how much could a gunsmith remove to make the barrels look nice again? Is this commonly done? I know its a hard call without seeing the barrel. Sounds like It would be smart to pick up this gun but I would like to keep the original barrels if possible.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 02:43 pm |
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| Frank remember not everyone of the pits have to be removed, this is going to to be a shooter not a collector gun. At 800 you could part it out and get your money back Eric
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 02:49 pm |
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Parker barrels were draw filed , and polished longitudinally with emery. Buffing is immediatly detectable by looking at the bright line of light along the barrel; it is straight if draw filed, wavy if buffed.
As Bill says, it is necessary to check thickness before removing metal, but all good barrel fitters will do this before beginning. DelGrego did have a draw filer when I last visited, but other shops doing Parker work draw file as well
Best, Austin.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 03:02 pm |
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I like this. Let's see
gun 856.00 (damn sales tax)
polish and reblue 300.00 (incls shipping)
new butt plate 30.00?
total 1,186.00
I think I'm capable of fixing the stock to hold the loose tang screw. So, 1,200 bucks and I have a 20ga shooter as well as the satisfaction of resurrecting an old Parker, sweet. Do repro butt plates have the spur on the top? where's the best place to get one?
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Eric Eis
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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| Try Galazans or sometimes ebay. Like I said before you can part the gun out for more then you have in it and since now it seems you are looking to make a profit on your deals I can't see how you will lose on this one. Eric
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 06:48 pm |
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Eric, man that sounds pretty mercenary. I'm only looking to make a profit on SOME deals, in order to help pay for others that I may want to keep. All of the guns I've collected lately are keepers for me long term except possibly the VH 12ga. I do want a 20ga Parker shooter to use and my only concern was if it cost more to fix up than it would be worth as it may be in the future I'll find a good deal on a nicer one. If when I retire I need to sell some or all (except my Grandfather's) I will certainly do so, hopefully at a profit.
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 06:48 pm |
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I still have the original 0-frame size spurred dogs head butt plate that I bought from you Eric. Thought I'd use it on my project GHE but reconsidered.
Frank, it's yours for whatever I paid Eric for it... Hey Eric, do you remember how much it was?? I do remember one going on Ebay at the same time for something like $90 or so, but as I remember I paid you about half of that. What say you Eric.
Dean
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 07:04 pm |
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| Dean, that's very nice of you. Just let me know. thanks
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 08:14 pm |
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Dean,
The Day I mailed it out to you was when those ebay buttplates came up and the one I sold to you for around 35 or 45 bucks just sold on ebay for 90. ! Made me sick but I sold it to you for what I had in it and you were going to use it so that was ok, what happened to the project gun?
Frank any project gun you take on will cost you more then you can get out of it, you do it cause you love the gun, maybe 10 to 15 years you can get your money out of it but.... Eric
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Posted: Tue Jan 17th, 2006 10:26 pm |
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| Why would you spend 300 to reblue a shooter when there are alot of people that do quality jobs for less and with less turn around time?
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 12:50 am |
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cause I'm a newbie and don't know any better. If you would be kind enough to PM me info on these guys I would appreciate it and will do some further research.
thanks
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 01:06 am |
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| Are the spurred Dogs head butt plates pretty common on 12 ga. VH's as I have one on mine, just curious.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 01:46 am |
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| Travis , $300 for a polish and rust blue on a set of barrels is a fair price, if you know of people that are "good" I think people and myself would like to know for other projects that we might have in the works. Eric
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 03:01 am |
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Bob, a majority of Parkers of all guages had spurred buttplates (excluding the Trojan) and at some point they were discontinued. Someone with more knowledge should post a note about what period they were discontinued.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 04:08 am |
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I don't know anyone that polishes and rust blues for 300.00! There are people cheaper, but that doesn't include polishing. If anyone here has tried removing pits from gun metal its no fun! Alot of time and effort goes into each grit that you push! I think a shooter with new polished, re-blued barrels would look a little weird without attention done else where as well! Also you don't buff barrels! Never buff anything that you want blued or re-cased!
Cheers, Travis
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 09:26 am |
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Travis So neither you nor we pay $300 to reblue a shooter as a proper reblue requires metal prep....I guess you answered your own question.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 01:01 pm |
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Jeff, I believe there are TWO Travis-es on this thread (Newman and Sims).
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Posted: Wed Jan 18th, 2006 01:27 pm |
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| I wonder how much DelGrego charges for bluing a set of barrels?
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