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just bought a old 8 ga trap load by umc its a paper hull its loaded but i think it was probably hand loaded as the roll crimp does not look factory...some bodys had it on a display board and drilled couple holes in it...maybe i can get a picture of it and post it... i wonder if any one ever shot trap with a 8 ga....reckon the name of trap on the brass end was a sales gimmick just wondering.... charlie