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03-08-2025, 02:57 PM
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The reason I asked Matt is that a great many Tournament Skeet’s came from the factory with a checkered butt. Many of those I’m certain were lost to a recoil pad for the sake of LOP.
My concern with this particular gun is that it may have been restocked and as a money or time saver may have acquired a butt plate.
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03-08-2025, 06:05 PM
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My 20ga Tournament has a hard buttplate. It's not a skeet gun chokes are cyl & mod.
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03-08-2025, 07:40 PM
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By definition a Model 21 G2190B came with a checkered butt.
The Model 21 Skeet Gun came out during 1932 but didn't make it into the 1932 catalog, but Winchester put out flyers. In the 1933 Winchester catalogs the Model 21 Skeet Gun was only offered with a straight grip. The big 1933 catalog -- 1933 Model 21 Skeet Gun, big catalog.jpeg the 1933 pocket catalog -- 1933 Model 21 Skeet Gun, Pocket catalog.jpeg By the 1934 Winchester catalogs they added a pistol grip Model 21 Skeet Gun. The big 1934 Winchester catalog -- 1934 Model 21 Skeet Gun, Big Catalog.jpeg From the 1934 Winchester pocket catalog -- 1934 Model 21 Skeet Gun, Straight Grip, Pocket Catalog.jpeg 1934 Model 21 Skeet Gun, Pistol Grip, Pocket Catalog.jpeg They all list a checkered butt. |
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03-08-2025, 07:52 PM
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The letter for my 1940/41 16-gauge Model 21 Skeet Gun doesn't say anything about the checkered butt, which it has.
Edited Cody Letter.jpg 15561 03.jpg January 2, 1941, Winchester Wholesale - Retail Price List -- 15561 09 January 2, 1941, W - R Price List pg 39.jpeg |
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03-09-2025, 10:03 AM
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My 1952 Skeet 20 gauge has a plate, however the letter states make lightweight. The butt is hollowed out. With 26” barrels it is 6 lb 5 oz.
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03-09-2025, 10:34 AM
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I used to own a Model 21-20 gauge skeet(made in 1948) that had and lettered with a checkered butt. My 20 gauge Grand American(started in 1964 and finished in 1965) with one set of the barrels being skeet and skeet has the leather covered pad. I wouldn't write off your stock just yet as the Winchester 21's were custom ordered and could be had with a variety of butts.(hard plastic-checkered -rubber-leather covered rubber and leather faced rubber are the options the factory advertised. It would have been nice if the factory would have kept all the work orders and a person could have seen how the customer ordered the gun. My Grand American came with the work orders and factory letter and the gun letters to a tee. With this being said almost all the factory winchester catalogs list the skeet with a checkered butt. Since your letter doesn't list the checkered butt- I would think that would be a plus as far as possibly being originally stocked with a plastic butt.
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03-09-2025, 11:24 AM
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The Cody information the OP posted shows the gun was "made for: Stock," it wasn't in any way special ordered. A gun that just flowed through the normal channels from Winchester to Jobber, to wholesaler, to retailer, to customer.
Tournament Grade Model 21 Skeet Gun Cody information.jpg |
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03-09-2025, 12:42 PM
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So are we saying since it wasn’t a custom ordered gun it would have had the cataloged
checkered butt and not a butt plate?
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