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Fox? Parker? Combo? What is it?
Unread 10-01-2015, 10:07 PM   #1
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GB Auction # 511338968 Fox - Philadelphia Arms A Grade 12ga 28" 3-Digit #

I Don't know much but this gun does not look right, Appears to have Similar to Parker Frame ( No Screws) Parker splinter forend Or latch anyway? Fox Krupp Barrels???
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Yes James, your not seeing things. It's an early Fox that looks exactly like a Parker from a distance. Not many out there as not many were made or survived. Maybe Dave Noreen will chime in with the history of the model. I have a PAC, B grade and many have mistaken it for a Parker.
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Philadelphia Arms was a company Ansley Fox was involved in and resigned from prior to starting the A H Fox company
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These guns have intrigued me greatly. So much is like a Parker. Heck, the forend latch looks like it came right out of the Parker parts bin. Even the rib matting and makers mark is the same. No doubt Ansley was trying to build a Parker Lookalike with these.

Macintosh speculated that the frames from the early Sterlingworth pin guns were made from left over rough frames from the philly arms operation. But I do not know about that since the trigger plate shape is completely different. Unless they were using very rough forgings.
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There is nothing in the blue book about this firearm that I could find. No other on GB. How would this gun be appraised. It would surely not be same as early A Grade fox???
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Here's one that sold at Julia's Spring Auction.



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There is nothing in the blue book about this firearm that I could find. No other on GB. How would this gun be appraised. It would surely not be same as early A Grade fox???
You can say that again!





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http://www.foxcollectors.com/ah_fox/...phia_arms.html
I just read this and I wonder if Ansley did not resign due to the fact they were basically coping Parker Guns???
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Tough telling... There was a time when he shot a Parker in competition.





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I have seen at least 4 of these Phily Arms guns on Gunbroker in the past 3 years or so. They usually do not go for much less than $1,000 and they go up from there. Well, I think that Ed the torch had one that was totally roached out for a lot of money at one time too. They are scarce. But of course condition has a lot to do with it too. I still kick myself for passing on a very nice original one a few years back for what I know now to be a reasonable price.

That one from Julia's is a Beauty! Likely a grade 3 or 4. Not many of those around.
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