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Hi charlie. I have found an 8ga for sale from a freind of mine. It is supposed to be a pretty sound gun,but of belguim manufacture. Possible a huskavarna. Waiting on pictures before I buy. Will be looking for some loading data.Will probable be doing it all by hand. Any light smokeless loads you have would be handy. Fear not I have lots of Dr Pepper cans to try them out on.