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Unread 03-01-2013, 10:09 AM   #11
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Where can I down load That copy of the Purdey Stock measurement form to print for a refference sheet?
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Unread 03-01-2013, 12:09 PM   #12
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Gerald: David Trevallion sent me that image scanned from the 1952 Purdey catalog.

Check p. 408 in Greener's The Gun

http://books.google.com/books?id=3HM...nsions&f=false
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Hello Gerald, Let me know, if you can't come up with the measurement chart, I am pretty sure one of my packed away Purdey Catalogs will have a copy/info that I can scan for you. Tom
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Upside down on a granite island top, with the front bead off the edge, always does the job for me. For a surprize, try lining up three or more guns at the same time and sight down the long axis from the butt ends. Small amounts of twist and cast become apparent that aren't readily noticeable looking at one gun only. Look across the guns at the buttplate and you can see the differences in pitch. Then you realize why some guns just seem to fit better than others. Best.
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John;
I have a couple of english guns and yes they are stocked pretty straight with very little drop at heel. They shot mostly driven, overhead incoming birds and those dimensions allowed for a better view of the bird with a built in lead. Just my theory.
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In copying the c. 33,600 individual sheets of paper that made up the surviving Parker Gun records at Ilion in 1999, I doubt we ever saw more than 1/2 dozen Order Book notations that gave all of the classic 3-way measurements for a 'true' custom stock-dimensioned LOP; e.g., heel, midpoint, and toe lengths from the trigger.

Drew's Purdey chart via David Trevallion shows how it's done 'to the max', so to speak. Subtle differences recorded in precise lengths and angles to the shoulder and breast muscles are recorded and duplicated in the best fitting stocks, especially in women, including cast on or off, down- or up- pitch, and, in the case of the middle measurement, "yaw" taken into account in how the person mounts, shoulders, and cheeks the gun at the "moment of truth."

For an easy, visible example of how production guns are compensated for the above variables, just look at a diehard trapshooter or sporting clays fanatic's stock fitted with one of the modern "twist and shout" adjustable pads. ('Twist' as in "I'll smoke his butt" next time and 'Shout' as in "Damn! I missed it again!!")
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John, you'll find if you put more weight on the front foot you'll be leaning forward with your head " stuck out " and need less drop in the stock. Now if you stand more upright with the weight equal on both feet your head will also be in the natural position - " up right " - and you'll need more drop. Of course, you can't lift your head to see if you hit a clay because your head is already up. All my guns have 2" DAC and 3 1/8" DAH. Try leaning forward like a modern shooter and all you'll see is the receiver. It's all what style you shoot. I shoot gun down and stand upright. A lot of drop fits me. Paul
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That makes sense. I do tend to shoot with equal weight distribution & my head in a more upright position - no wonder I like more drop. Plus, I think I tend to lift my head - so if it's already "up", I can't lift it much more !

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