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Tom, I tried to buy the VH .410 with PHD marking. As I recall, there was some failed negotiation in the $2500 range. I really liked the gun but in those days, a $100 or $200 difference in asking and selling price was a big deal. I may be wrong, but I think the owner at that time has initials "CB". Now that I think back, the price being argued was probably $1200 versus $1500 rather than $2500.