Winchester 1897 Black Diamond Trap

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by Ed Blake

I think these pump guns have great lines, and I've noticed more of them popping up on the auction sites. They all seem to have short LOPs, like 13 3/4". I've also noticed several variations on the butt: a curved Winchester butt plate, a flat butt for a pad, and another with a steel butt plate. I assume the shooter could order whatever he wanted. Neat guns. When looking at them is there anything to be especially aware of? Thanks

Hunters and shooters used to wear heavy canvas coats, or a thick wool sweater and some kind of shooting vest, thus the short LOP to compensate. I know that I feel the difference when I shoot a longer gun while wearing winter duds and I don't like it. Even a quarter inch in LOP makes a difference to me.

Pumps fell from favor, but now are gaining ground and those old Model 97's that languished in grandpa's closet are worth money today. I have one, but don't shoot it much. I prefer the model 12....or better yet an Ithaca mod 37.

[Bill Murphy]

Model 97 Traps are scarce in high condition. Some Traps do not have the matted barrel but are still original. I have not seen a Trap that I considered original that did not have the TRAP GUN stamp on the breech bolt. The curved hard rubber buttplate is hard to find. Some early buttplates have peaks like the Parker dog's head buttplate. The complete package is original butt, TRAP GUN stamp, matted barrel and receiver top, and black diamond stock. 32" barrel is scarce in a Trap. I have not had the opportunity to buy one in years of searching.

[Blind Dog]

Some more detailed pics of my '97 below. Its pull is 14&1/8" which is usable for me (could be another 1/2"). My main problem is the small trigger guard when gloved in cold weather. The butt stock and plate are slightly curved; the BP is hard rubber like a DHBP without the "peak".

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Model 97 Traps are scarce in high condition. Some Traps do not have the matted barrel but are still original. I have not seen a Trap that I considered original that did not have the TRAP GUN stamp on the breech bolt. The curved hard rubber buttplate is hard to find. Some early buttplates have peaks like the Parker dog's head buttplate. The complete package is original butt, TRAP GUN stamp, matted barrel and receiver top, and black diamond stock. 32" barrel is scarce in a Trap. I have not had the opportunity to buy one in years of searching.

I know a fellow who owns one. He inherited it. He told me that I could have his first one or two children, but he is keeping that gun. He said it's like new. I haven't seen it tho. A 97 Black Diamond trap gun.

Question: If I take an old Model 12 and mount one of those strap on combs to the stock have I just created a trap gun?

[david ross]

I use a mod 37 ithaca to great old pump guns.
All the best Dave.

[Bill Murphy]

I feel like I have to comment on Researcher's post about Harold Money. I just don't know what to say. Those colonial period Brits lived some lives.

[Autumn Daze]

Bored Bill ?..... Hows the rehab coming?

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

I feel like I have to comment on Researcher's post about Harold Money. I just don't know what to say. Those colonial period Brits lived some lives.

Yeah, like Sir Richard Burton (not the one of Liz fame).

[Bill Murphy]

Dave, rehab is good. I'm driving and going to the gun club a couple of times a week, but not shooting yet. Using the cane outside the house.

[Autumn Daze]

This is good news Bill. Stay with it and you will be raising hell with the rest of us in no time!