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06-29-2012, 11:58 AM
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Not as standard. Who knows if it was ever a special order option. Anything could have been done I suppose.
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06-29-2012, 07:46 PM
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The 3-inch Magnum 20-gauge was a 1950s item. I think the first commercial listing was the Magnum Model 21 in the January 2, 1954, Winchester catalogue. However, there are no 3-inch 20-gauge shells listed in the January 2, 1954, Winchester Ammunition catalogue and price list!?! The Olin brothers and their buddies had been playing around with 3-inch 20-gauge Model 21s for some time before that. In the 1955 Winchester ammunition catalogue the 20-gauge 3-inch Mag. is offered with 1 1/8 ounce of Lubaloy #6 or 1 3/16 ounce of Lubaloy #4. That same year the 2 3/4 inch "magnum" shells were introduced with the 1 1/2 ounce in 12-gauge, 1 1/4 ounce in 16-gauge and 1 1/8 ounce in 20-gauge. The 3-inch 20-gauge Mag. offerings remained the same throught the 1959 price list. For 1960 the 3-inch 20-gauge magnum with 1 1/4 ounce of chilled shot was added to the offereings, while the Lubaloy loads were still 1 1/8 and 1 3/16. The Winchester/Western offerings in 3-inch 20-gauge shells remained the same thru 1968 where my old catalogues play out.
Three-inch shells have been around just about as long as cartridge shotguns have been around. In my 1903 UMC catalogue there were 12-gauge paper shells 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch. The 16-gauge was available 2 9/16, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, and 3 inch. The 20-gauge was offered in 2 1/2, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, and 3 inch. In those days the "standard" 2 5/8 inch 12-gauge, 2 9/16 inch 16-gauge and 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shells carried a slightly milder maximum load than the 2 3/4 inch and longer shells. The advantage of the 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch shells was more and better wadding for a better gas seal which many serious Pigeon shooters thought to be an advantage. The heaviest loads offered in the 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shells were 2 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder pushing 7/8 ounce of shot, or 18 grains of Ballistite or Infallible dense smokeless powder pushing the same 7/8 ounce of shot. In the 2 3/4 inch 20-gauge case, one could get 2 1/2 drams bulk smokeless powder or 20 grains of Infallible or Ballistite dense smokeless powder, but still pushing 7/8 ounce of shot. The 3-inch 20-gauge for the famous Widgeon Duck Club Parker Bros. guns and the J. Stevens A & T Co. pump gun carried these 7/8 ounce loads, but more wadding. These are the shells a Parker Bros. 20-gauge chambered for 3-inch shells with serial number 131424 would have been made for --  Same load in a 2 7/8 inch shell --  And, the same load from Peters Cartridge Co. --  When Western Cartridge Co. showed the way to high velocity by introducing progressive burning smokeless powder loads as their new Super-X load about 1922, the 1 1/4 ounce 12- and the 1 ounce 20-gauge Super-X loads were put up in their 2 3/4 inch Field shell. It doesn't appear from my research that Winchester, Western or Remington offered their progressive burning powder 20-gauge shells in longer cases, but in the 1920s and 30s Peters Cartridge Co. did --  
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06-29-2012, 08:15 PM
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Let me try to explain where I am going with my question about the "teardrop" stock
I have a DHE 20 gauge stock that was made for me. It has a skelton cut out on the butt and the tear drop mon the sides. I did not use it. The man that made it died. I was wondering if I could use it on the VH. The stock on the VH now is not original and it is ugly. |
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06-29-2012, 11:40 PM
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Up to you but it wouldn't be close to right. A 1-frame V-grade stock shouldn't be terribly difficult to find and you might be able to sell the D-grade stock, pay for the V-grade and get it fitted with little out of pocket.
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06-30-2012, 08:18 AM
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You can always have that D grade stock fitted to your V grade and have the drop points removed as well as the SSBP. That is if you want it to be correct. But I think that stock is worth more as it is as being for a D grade.
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06-30-2012, 08:27 AM
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Anthony,
Most Parker collectors appreciate original guns followed by Parkers restored to as original. Your 32" VH 20 gauge is very rare and is worth very much to collectors who will pay in hundred dollar bills! Any money spent on upgrading it with a D Grade stock will be wasted because anyone willing to pay cash for a grand gun as you have will immediately pay to have an original VH stock fitted to it. Of course, the DH stock will lower the sale price. I, like many here, learned the above the hard way. Keep your 32" VH 20 gauge as orignial as possible. If you do so when you or your heirs sell the gun to a humble collector, it will be done so at a profit rather than a loss. Respectfully, Mark
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06-30-2012, 10:48 AM
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i really like the old shell posters and boxes...these are items of a grand long gone era...wish they would put a little more interesting logos on the boxes we buy now... charlie
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07-02-2012, 11:34 AM
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I agree, Mark. Now all I need is an original VH stock!
who has one for sale? thanks - Tony |
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