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well just got back from trying the 8 ga out..i steped off 70 long steps used a paper plate as a target it was only 8 1/2 inch in dimater used the no 6 loads in 2 1/2 ounce...these loads had no shot collar...but as it may RAY your 12 ga out shot my 8 pretty goodi only put 16 pellets in the plate...i tried a load of no 2 s and it put 6 pellets in the plate...looks like ive got a lot of shooting and fiddlin around with loads to get the results you are getting... charlie
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