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Unread 11-09-2011, 05:40 PM   #31
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Great story Gary. I looked at the gun in TPS. Hard to believe the gun remains unfired. I could never be a collector of high grade stuff because I would have shot it.
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Unread 11-09-2011, 06:58 PM   #32
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I too have Philistinic tendencies. Museum pieces are not my thing, that's for sure. If I could afford such a piece and it is to be preserved un-fired, then my inclination would be to donate to somewhere like the NRA Museum, for more than just me to admire. But... I can't afford something like that, so further fictitious speculation is moot.

Now, the Bard of Avon, who descended from a family of spearmen [Shake (brandish) Spear] dating back to the 1200's, wrote plays. His poetic nature still shewed his origins through his words. But, is his lawyer assertion correct? In fact, it is not his assertion, rather words put into the mouth of a character, Jack Cade. Cade was a real person in history who may or may not have been accurately depicted by Shakespeare, a master of poetic licence. (e.g. it made a much better piece of theater to kill Julius Caesar on the steps of the Senate of Rome than in the Theater of Pompey where it most likely occurred) - more dramatic and did not require funds for carpenters to build another set. In Shakespeare's Henry VI, Jack Cade was depicted as a leader of peasants with a fear of educated persons as traitors. He saw himself as the rightful heir to the throne of England. His word was to be law with no need for a legislature. A man who could write and sign his own name, rather than use a mark, was a prime subject for execution by Cade. So..... it is well within the depicted character of Jack Cade to want to kill all lawyers.

I am not now, nor have I ever been a lawyer but have had dealings with them over many decades. Like the population in general, there are good guys, bad guys and downright evil guys. I always liked the Roy Rogers show. It was easy to understand - a white hat was a good guy and a black hat was not going to triumph by the end of the show. But life isn't as clear as black and white.

Now the lawyer in Gary's story qualifies as a "bad guy". Too bad Roy didn't have a chance to chat with him.

As for killing, I see that as a non-vegetarian's necessity for the purpose of nourishing the body with some source of animal protein - even if that were to require the use of a previously unfired gun, which would make other unfireds slightly more valuable to some.

I assume that even the "unfireds" were fired at the factory when patterned, so the term is a misnomer. How does one tell if an "unfired" gun saw a couple shots outside the factory???? Not a rhetorical question.

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Calvin: You sure are taking good care of that N grade 10 Ga. I really miss the old girl. I don't know if I told you but I traded a L.C. Smith specialty grade 12 Ga. for that gun and never regretted it and that was back min the 1980's. Thomas
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Hello Jack: The phrase, as you stated, from Shakespere's Henry VI was actually uttered by a character called "Dick the Butcher" who was a henchman of Jack Slade. Since Roy is no longer with us perhaps Steven Segal could do the honours.

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Good morning George: Thanks. You get an A+. High School was a long way back

Segal works for me. Does he have a white hat?

My remembering of Shakespeare may be fading somewhat; however, I do remember the sacrifices made so that we might enjoy the freedoms we have. On this Remembrance Day, a humble thanks to all vets and those serving.

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Jack: You are right on. The HEROES, both living and those who have gone on, of all the Armed Services are the folks that our kids should be looking up to and admiring, instead of the "Hollyweird" and MTV crowd.

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Guys back to the A1 special, the gun was used and only the 26" barrels with beavertail forend was not fired. Gary
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Still curious how one proves or disproves "unfired" (after factory). Obvious after many shots, but what about a few and proper cleaning?
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If a gun has been fired even only once there will be evidence of that around the firing pin and on the breech face. How you can seperate a set of bbls as unfired VS fired I couldn't say.
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Thomas,

It hasen't changed much got a phesant double with the ol light 10 last year second one lifted after I shot the 1st one. It's my tradin stock he he just can't trade it. My 1st nice parker. Craig wants to do the barrels, may some time just a light reblack. One day Bruce showed me how much better grease is than oil on it. I'm now a greaser. ch that would be it to the left with Gentleman Bob oz. 1/8 of 6.
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