Steel Shot in Parkers

[Bill Murphy]

As Chris knows, I am inclined to hit the print button when things get hot on the PGCA forum. I just compared my printed copy of the Peter Johnson thread to the computer version. In John's defense, I don't find any difference. If there was such an unacceptable post, Bruce probably edited or deleted it within the time period allowed. I am still apalled, as is Chris and Destry, that any of our members would send emails to Bruce comparing him to a pig or whatever. Bruce's work with Boy Scouts and the "March" is to be commended.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

As Chris knows, I am inclined to hit the print button when things get hot on the PGCA forum. I just compared my printed copy of the Peter Johnson thread to the computer version. In John's defense, I don't find any difference. If there was such an unacceptable post, Bruce probably edited or deleted it within the time period allowed. I am still apalled, as is Chris and Destry, that any of our members would send emails to Bruce comparing him to a pig or whatever. Bruce's work with Boy Scouts and the "March" is to be commended.

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As Bill knows, I am also an astute observer of what goes on here from time to time... Murph, you may have missed some things between your log-in's on that thread that were long gone by the time you printed a page and then used it for your comparison today... The only point I was trying to make with John today was to keep it a level playing field, and when someone like Bruce makes backhanded insults comparing the folks he's sparring with to Pigs and Skunks, then he's crossed the line as much as Destry talking about Bruce carrying Charlie Herzog's water, which was quickly edited/deleted... I know John Dunkle will do his best in the future to keep things here fair and on the up and up. As I've said to him many times in the past, both public and in private, Many thanks John for All your efforts here on the PGCA site...

Best, CSL
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[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

...Murph, you may have missed some things between your log-in's on that thread that were long gone by the time you printed a page and then used it for your comparison today... ...

Actually - that is not the case. My servers archive each post and each edit. I can read all of them - including your edits to your own posts in this thread.

My thanks for your kind words in this same post,

Have a great evening,

John

[CSL]

Originally Posted by John Dunkle

Actually - that is not the case. My servers archive each post and each edit. I can read all of them - including your edits to your own posts in this thread.

My thanks for your kind words in this same post,

Have a great evening,

John

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Again John, I think you missed my point, I was referring to Murphy not being able to read Destry's full post before you deleted most of it, therefore he missed the majority of it's context... I do still have that full Herzog related post... If you find anything objectionable with the edits to my posts in this thread, or any other thread, then feel free to let me know anytime...

Oh, And just my 2-cents on the steel shot issue, leave it out of the old double guns, no good can come from it's use, I've seen the damage many times over...

Best, CSL
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[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

...Again John, I think you missed my point, I was referring to Murphy not being able to read Destry's full post...
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Again, Chris, that is not what Bill posted - nor did you originally? You told me I had "removed posts", which in fact, as you know now - I did not... What Bill posted was:

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

As Chris knows, I am inclined to hit the print button when things get hot on the PGCA forum. I just compared my printed copy of the Peter Johnson thread to the computer version. In John's defense, I don't find any difference. If there was such an unacceptable post, Bruce probably edited or deleted it ...

It would appear, Chris - you might have both Destry and Bruce confused as to who posted what in that thread - and by who.

I EDITED DESTRY'S post - not Bruce's post. I could post Destry's original post that I did, indeed, edit - but that would be silly.

You have a fine evening.

Best to you,

John

[CSL]

Originally Posted by John Dunkle

Again, Chris, that is not what Bill posted - nor did you originally? You told me I had "removed posts", which in fact, as you know now - I did not... What Bill posted was:



It would appear, Chris - you might have both Destry and Bruce confused as to who posted what in that thread - and by who.

I EDITED DESTRY'S post - not Bruce's post. I could post Destry's original post that I did, indeed, edit - but that would be silly.

You have a fine evening.

Best to you,

John

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John, by removed posts, I meant the majority of what someone had said, their words, and in this case Destry's post concerning Bruce and Herzog... I don't have Destry and Bruce confused as to who posted what in that thread, as I said before I could not understand why you would find Destry's content objectionable enough to edit/delete, and then let Bruce's content remain on the thread when it was equally if not more objectionable... That's it, period... I'm done....

Best, CSL
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[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

..That's it, period... I'm done....

Me too...

Best to you, Chris,

John

[Old and Reliable]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

As Chris knows, I am inclined to hit the print button when things get hot on the PGCA forum. I just compared my printed copy of the Peter Johnson thread to the computer version. In John's defense, I don't find any difference. If there was such an unacceptable post, Bruce probably edited or deleted it within the time period allowed. I am still apalled, as is Chris and Destry, that any of our members would send emails to Bruce comparing him to a pig or whatever. Bruce's work with Boy Scouts and the "March" is to be commended.

-- I always make extra slack for any Veteran who put his life on the line for Our Country- while we were on LRRP's in 1 Corp-- Col. Day and his USAF brothers were covering our &^^%$ with the "Shock and Awe" that helped keep "Charlie" subdued-- I always thought we PGCA brothers followed the "Guy Code" but Boy Howdy, was I wrong, at least in regard to this "Hot Button Issue"--

I am way longer in the teeth than others who have responded to Bruce;s remarks re: The Roster Research--I have shot steel loads since they were required in my Dad's old field grade M12- a 12 gauge 30" full he bought new in 1937 and gave me in 1980-- The barrel and choke are just like they were when that gun was shipped from New Haven-- I have also used my 2E Smith rebarreled with 32" Nitro steel Ventilated rib in 1927 at Fulton- Full in both tubes- but I used Cabelas' classic non-tox loads ONLY in it for waterfowl- it has 3" chambers, but is not a true Elsie "Longrange" but I only shoot 2 & 3/4" shells in it- For the rest of my waterfowling, I use the Mossberg 835 Utility-Mag 12 gauge I won at a DU Sponsor evenmt 6 years ago- I have shoot just about every steel load in 2 & 3/4" and 3" through that "working gun"--=love the top tang safety, and no gas ports to foul (fowl) up-- I hunt probably 75 days in MI- we have the early Bonus Goose season, the regular 60 day season, and the 30 day late winter season- I live on a major river area loaded with Geese and mallards, and if it doesn't freeze, they are here all winter long- fly out to feed on area fields- I haven't hunted in Canada in years- used to hunt Walpole Island a great deal back in the 1970's, also Harsen's Island-

[Drew Hause]

We didn't make any definitive statement on the LCSCA FAQ
http://www.lcsmith.org/faq/steelshot.html

Should I shoot steel shot in my L.C. Smith shotgun?

Steel shotshells have come a long way since they were first introduced in the 1980s. Now, they have thick plastic shot cups to help protect the bores. There continues to be concern about scoring (erosion) of the softer barrel steel from the hard shot, and this also applies to Remington's Hevi-Shot. Steel shot does not compress like lead, and can bulge tight chokes. Steel shells are also routinely loaded to 1400 fps producing increased pressure and recoil.



Pulleeeze don't start on the "increased pressure" part - we're trying to keep things simple for us small brained Smith fellas