Parker V Grade ?

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

I haven't found there is any difference in recoil between 2 1/2 and 2 3/4" shells. And if you look at the recoil formula, shell length is not a factor.

I have a 1928 VH 20 ga. with 2 5/8" chambers and it is the most uncomfortable gun to shoot with 'off the shelf' ammo that I own. When I shoot low-pressure 2 1/2" ammo it is a joy to shoot.

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People have their favorite products and loads and you make up your own mind.

I second that statement.

[Bruce Day]

Try shooting the identical load in a 2 1/2" hull and a 2 3/4" hull and tell me if you can feel any difference.

Its always easier on the shoulder to shoot low shot weight, low speed loads. There are a number of ultralight loads available from major manufacturers. Many of the shooters at the local clubs have gone to those regardless of the gun they use, unless they have an auto that needs recoil or gas to cycle.

When you look at the recoil formula, the only factors are speed and weight of all the ejecta, including gas, wads and shot. High or low chamber pressure has little to do with that and a person, by powder type selection , can achieve the same shot velocity with different powder pressures. I think what you are trying to say is that low recoil ammo feels better. Of course it does; now select a low recoil ammo that will have suitable velocity and shot weight for what you are trying to do, and that is the rub and the trouble with using the heavy, fast , and expensive loads that manufacturers tout as necessary for upland game. So, on a Parker 12, use the load for which the gun was intended and targeted, a 1 1/8oz/ 3 dre, for a 16 , 1 oz, 2 1/2dre, and for a 20, a 7/8 or 3/4oz at 2 1/2dre. If you want to bang away at clays, load or buy less if you want. The dre will give you the speed.

Bruce Day, apprentice fourth class.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

Try shooting the identical load in a 2 1/2" hull and a 2 3/4" hull and tell me if you can feel any difference.

You are probably absolutely correct. I'm only stating my own experiences and don't have the time or inclination to search for identical loads in different length shells so I'll just continue to shoot what is most comfortable to me and is very easy to buy.

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Its always easier on the shoulder to shoot low shot weight, low speed loads. There are a number of ultralight loads available from major manufacturers. Many of the shooters at the local clubs have gone to those regardless of the gun they use, unless they have an auto that needs recoil or gas to cycle.

True.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

I think what you are trying to say is that low recoil ammo feels better. Of course it does; now select a low recoil ammo that will have suitable velocity and shot weight for what you are trying to do, and that is the rub and the trouble with using the heavy, fast , and expensive loads that manufacturers tout as necessary for upland game. So, on a Parker 12, use the load for which the gun was intended and targeted, a 1 1/8oz/ 3 dre, for a 16 , 1 oz, 2 1/2dre, and for a 20, a 7/8 or 3/4oz at 2 1/2dre. If you want to bang away at clays, load or buy less if you want. The dre will give you the speed.

Bruce Day, apprentice fourth class.

Exactly Bruce!! Thanks for making my case for me.
Dean

[Bruce Day]

Then all we need to do it tell people that but we can't manage to get that in a FAQ.

[Dean Romig]

I think we can work with Robin to post something in the FAQ that will impart this information without anyone ever being able to say "The PGCA said I could shoot these loads in my old Parker." and, yourself being a (contract) lawyer, would likely be the best person to craft the wording. Yes?

[Bruce Day]

I have made many suggestions about that before and they get sidetracked in a morass of discussions and its time for someone else to take the flak. The last time I suggested such wording it drew an assault from a person who I had regarded as a friend so I am out of it.