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Unread 07-18-2025, 09:49 AM   #51
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Whitworth tube numbers and Parker order numbers are two entirely different things. This gun is way too late to have Parker order numbers. I assume that Whitworth tube numbers are often ground off when striking the barrels. I don't know about the pre 1920 date for Whitworth barrels on Parkers. Are the barrels on Leroy's gun really in doubt? I don't understand Edgar's statement about these numbers being consecutive, as order numbers might be. Order numbers are consecutive to what?
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I don't understand Edgar's statement about these numbers being consecutive, as order numbers might be. Order numbers are consecutive to what?
Bill, notice the comma, as I was attempting to say Whitworth SNs would be consecutive. I never said a gun this late would have an order number stamped.
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Whitworth tube numbers are either there or not. The Whitworth wheat sheaves are either there or not. I have guns that fit any and all of these possibilities. Leroy's little Parker has none of the above, and apparently its originality as a Whitworth barrel gun is in dispute. Not by me.
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My question Bill is, are the barrels shown with both the 0 and the 00 frame size stamps and the ill-fitting doll’s head original to the gun…





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I don't think the doll's head is worse than some others I've seen. If we think the gun is a fake, built from parts, then someone come out and say it. Same comment goes for those who think it's a Runge-Del Grego gun. Come out and say it.
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No one can make an 0 frame barrel set into a 00, so that supports no argument for or against originality. We have all seen plenty of examples of stamping that might not rate perfect. There's no one here who can say the barrels are or are not original to the gun. I agree with Bill that there are lots of original guns with a less than perfect rib extension fit. Digital pictures on the internet rarely compare to 'eyeballs on'.
I just don't get the point in slamming a gun. Rivet counters are everywhere when they aren't buying.
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The 28 gauge AA skeet gun. This may be the gun that shot a intruder in the cognon mansion in Duluth Minnesota. The gun went into evidence and then disappeared. It was thought that a family member was given the gun after the police let it out of evidence. George Flaim and Jack Puglisi both talked about the little gun, It was quiet a story. I use to hang out with these two characters!
Jim, did the Congdons ever say how much lead they gave the intruder before they shot him? With skeet boring(s) it couldn't have been much!
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I know I'd be proud to walk onto a skeet field with 191767 provenance or not.
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It’s a lovely little gun. I wish I had the money (and negotiating skills). I’d make that short stock work.
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It’s a lovely little gun. I wish I had the money (and negotiating skills). I’d make that short stock work.
A gun is too short only when your thumb hits your nose when fired. Go for it.
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