Unusual barrels

[winplumber]

Maybe a Letter on this gun If there are records would help, I really hate to see what's going on here.

[Gary Bodrato]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

To my eye that oval you think you see is just the residue of a dried drop of lubricant that was squeezed between the barrel bearing surface and the watertable and dried up. I'd bet a bit of Hoppis and a quick scrub and it will disappear.

Look real close to the red lines, at both ends are arrows and that funny little thing on the left is an export lion stamp (1924-1968) also if you look inside the oval there is the number 1 and a non decipherable number next to it which would be the start of gauge and chamber stamps Hit the photo to enlarge

[edgarspencer]

The barrels shown, which this thread started out discussing, are Parker made barrels, and the assumption is they were subsequently fitted by Remington, so why would that silly "dancing lion" be stamped on them. Your noted table indicates that mark is applied to export barrels for proofing.
I misspoke when I said Parker, Remington, and some other proof house, but I meant some other proof house proofing Parker barrels. The barrel flat photos you show are plainly not those of higher quality manufacture.

I'm sure you'll search out something to prove me wrong, complete with more acerbic responses, but I pay little notice to people who act like boorish prigs, who come on here and insult us as "nearsighted', and well respected members.

[Gary Bodrato]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

The barrels shown, which this thread started out discussing, are Parker made barrels, and the assumption is they were subsequently fitted by Remington, so why would that silly "dancing lion" be stamped on them. Your noted table indicates that mark is applied to export barrels for proofing.
I misspoke when I said Parker, Remington, and some other proof house, but I meant some other proof house proofing Parker barrels. The barrel flat photos you show are plainly not those of higher quality manufacture.

I'm sure you'll search out something to prove me wrong, complete with more acerbic responses, but I pay little notice to people who act like boorish prigs, who come on here and insult us as "nearsighted', and well respected members.

Nice respone Edgar, well respected is funny, tolerated is more acurate. The insults started with the kid that lives in his mothers basement and you jumped right in. Gentlemen admitt when they are wrong, others either try to change the subject or slink away. So far its 1 and 1. Have any other comments?
"The Borish Prig"

[Jay Oliver]

Wow...this went off the rails fast. I learned long ago to accept/value the wisdom from this fine group even when I was dissapointed with the answer. No need to instigate...there is another sxs forum for that...and most of us are not on it...

[Gary Bodrato]

Originally Posted by Jay Oliver

Wow...this went off the rails fast. I learned long ago to accept/value the wisdom from this fine group even when I was dissapointed with the answer. No need to instigate...there is another sxs forum for that...and most of us are not on it...

If you see that, then good for you. You have a wilder imagination than most.

Do you read palms and tea leaves too?
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B. Dudley

And now you jump in?

[edgarspencer]

Gary, I had to read between the lines and unrelated comments, but I'm now guessing your supposition is that the barrels, assembled, minus ribs, were made in Belgium, stamped as un-proofed, and sold to Remington. Is that right?
You didn't actually say that, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just what I think you're saying.
What I originally said, I still stand with, that Parker and Remington would never stamp that location, is because, as seen in the first pictures, it's finished ground. IF (BIG IF) you're saying they were made by 'others' and sold to Remington, then it is entirely possible they were stamped there, as that surface had, as yet, to be ground.

Having said all that,(1) The WL3 code would almost certainly be when the barrels were fitted, But it's highly unlikely they were exported anywhere around that time, because of the WW2. (2) This was only 7 years after Remington acquired Parker, and we know there were plenty of already made barrels, made in Meriden, that went to Ilion, Remington had been making barrels at that time, and Remington sold Delgrego all remaining parts, which included Lots of barrels (1 1/2 frame being about the most commonly produced). Would Remington have stamped all the other information (in the relieved area) Such as unstruck weight, Parker material grade, HT over A, when they would have been heat treated and annealed in Belgium, and The Remington Version of the overload proof ?

Art Wheaton is probably the only person, because he worked for, and at Remington, who might know if any barrels were imported for relatively 'vanilla' guns because they still made their own (Though I don't think he worked there in the time frame these were added).

Soooo, I stick with what I originally said about them not stamping on bearing surfaces, meaning FINISHED GROUND surfaces.
Also, You are not right OR wrong, because it was your theory, not a known fact.
Lastly, the 'silly dancing Lion' doesn't match the image from your tables very well.
Last Lastly, Brian, in fact, does know his stuff, doesn't live in anyone's basement, and turns out one of the best stock finishes currently available to us.

[BRDHNTR]

This is a terrific forum and a great platform for the exchange of ideas and discussion. We all have our own opinions let's just respect each other and keep the exchanges on a professional level. We have one of the best forums in my view, let's all strive to keep it that way.

[Gary Bodrato]

Mr Spencer
I* applaud*you for returning this post back to civility. Also i commend you on your command of the english language, funny, I'm getting hammered by a guy and his written eloquence*i find impressive.Now on to whats at hand. My original*post only expressed what I saw. I posted an enlarged photo and a copy from a Liege*proof book that i saw as being a close reference to the marks, nothing more or less. Some respondents expressed they did not see it, some did. End of story. Had not Brian Dudley taken this to a higher level two outcomes might have been forthcoming, My post ended with yeas*or nays or as your first sentence implies I may have inquired further if single barrel or rough assembled barrels were ever imported from Liege by Parker Bros or Remington. Truly the only authorities*on this matter may have been Babe and Larry DeGrego* At this point I see no interest in furthering this post as we have surely entertained*the troops sufficiently.
Sincerely
Gary Bodrato.
Addendum
But I am at total disagrement in your defence of Brian Dudley.

[Scott Chapman]

Not sure what your grudge is, Gary...but you seem to be insufferable. I lurk here regularly and appreciate the time, effort, and knowledge a lot of these fine gentlemen share with the public.

Please take your bullying elsewhere...