Art, I really don’t know the DOM of those guns but judging by the engraving alone I would say the top one is about 1890 or so and might even be one of the “three dog” DH guns that are so very uncommon…
The gun in the lower picture was made in the 1920’s but no later than 1931 as the engraver who I believe did that gun, Frederick Anschutz, passed away in 1930 and we don’t see his style of dog after he passed.
Look up Frederick Anschutz in The Parker Story and you will see several references to him, including the actual date of his death, but you will also find where the authors described his dogs as “decidedly male” and the vast majority of his dogs certainly are depicted as most certainly male.
Incidentally, I copied those pictures from the Internet and most probably from this PGCA website.
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"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."
George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
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