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Unread 03-27-2022, 08:39 AM   #1
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I finally got around to trying out my four pin roller for the 2nd time yesterday. Last, and fist time trying the roll crimper was last spring using a hand held drill. What a pain with the hand held drill. Never got them perfect IMO until 5 to 10 minutes of forcing the hull into crimper long enough to heat it.

So, yesterday I loaded up 9, ten gauge, 3.5” hulls for spring turkey hunting. All I had left unfortunately. I’m about out on x10x and Sp10 wads..and federal hulls….so I better take my time on the trigger with them. I headed over to my buddies house to use his drill press. It took about 3 to five seconds each to make a nice even crimp. I’ll be on the hunt for a drill press now. Loaded up 2oz of #6 NPI shot(only shot I have on hand) and 39 grains of HS-6 along with a X10x and SP10. I patterned it in my Browning Gold National Wild turkey federation semi auto 10 gauge along with a code black turkey choke. The load had more pellet count on my turkey head and neck target at 45 yards than any factory ammo I’ve tried. Just wish I had some #5 shot to try. I have have always preferred the #5’s for longer shots and better knock down. I brushed on some clear nail polish over the shot cards to waterproof them.




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I headed over to my buddies house to use his drill press. It took about 3 to five seconds each to make a nice even crimp. I値l be on the hunt for a drill press now.
I知 debating this drill press:

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I have that same drill press on my bench and it works great for roll crimping and other tasks in the loft.
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It's slowest speed is too fast for 8 & 10ga. Barely slow enough for 12ga.
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It's slowest speed is too fast for 8 & 10ga. Barely slow enough for 12ga.
I use it for roll crimping 10, 12 and .410 and it works fine.
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It's slowest speed is too fast for 8 & 10ga. Barely slow enough for 12ga.
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Can you share what speeds you would recommend??

I received my first roll crimp tools last week (16 & 20 ga), and I did a few 20 gauge with decent results but not great. Let's say, I will not be showing them off to you guys who are accomplished rollcrimpers

Thanks for all the good tips by everyone.
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Edgar,
Can you share what speeds you would recommend??
Stan, Given that the old hand crank tools were in use for paper hulls, I run my Rockwell press at 300 rpm. I'm using Nick Ross tools which have more pins than the common ones sold by either BP or precision.
The key to roll crimping plastic hulls is A) start with a smooth case mouth. If you're roll crimping 2 3/4" hulls, you already have enough extra to trim off, because the roll uses less than the star crimp. B) Heat. Start with a light pressure on the hull and withing a few seconds you'll feel it begin to roll, because the plastic is more pliable when warmed up by friction. Once its begining to roll, give it more pressure, and don't delay, because you can soften the plastic too much, and get crappy results.
I roll my 8ga hulls at a much slower speed, because the tool has six pins. I do them in either my Bridgeport with the back gears engaged.(I'm not suggesting you go out and buy a 2000lb milling machine) Anything more than 150-200 rpm and the tool heats up and scars the outside diameter of the hull.
Be aware of the tool temperature. I load up a tray with 25 or 50 hulls at a time, but don't roll all at one shot because the tool gets too hot. Rolling paper (I roll 12,16 & 20 paper also) heat doesn't seem to hurt the hulls but paper likes the slowest speed, or it scars, almost tears, the lip.
I've had many conversations with Nick Ross, and I will say, he puts a great deal of thought into his tools. To the extent, he is considering two different tools for 8 ga. hulls because of the hull thickness difference between Winchester and Remington industrial hulls. The 'smoothness' of the inside diameter of the finished roll is as important as the outside, and the internal tool profile takes hull thickness into account.
Cheddite paper hulls are thinner than Federals, and roll well with Ross tools, but I roll the Federal hulls in and old Deluxe Bridgeport Implement Co hand cranked roller.
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I have that press I bought when building my all electric homebrewing system. Except it was $69 a few years back. It ain't fancy, it's rather cheap, but I think it will work fine. I have not tried it on roll crimps but I'm not sure why a press would work better if the speeds are similar? Maybe I'm spinning too fast? Like I said, I just gave up. I'll try again tonight maybe on the press.
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