Early 28 Gauge Production

[Dean Romig]

Beginning with the first serial number listed (158496 - all gauges and grades) from 1912 onward, I count 859 28-gauge Parkers made according to the 28 gauge table in the rear of Vol II of TPS. Certainly not all were on the 00-frame and we don’t and won’t know how many were on the 0-frame either but surely the 0-frame 28 gauge guns petered out, but there are a number of guns on both sides of 1912 that are not included in the data retrieved from the available factory records, antd that number is unknown but can be closely extrapolated from the known data.

Suffice to say that the 275 number might be correct if we extrapolate from the 253 28’s made to the beginning of 1912.





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[James L. Martin]

Dean I had my doubts about that number, what would be your guess.

[Pa SxS]

There is no way of knowing how many 0 frame 28ga. guns were made without physically looking at the guns and keeping a tally. I reviewed stock book # 75, which is the first stock book to list frame sizes. All the 28ga. guns listed were all 00 frames and all were in the 5 1/2 to 6.0 pounds except for 1 or 2 that had long barrels. Stock book 75 started at S/N 213778 July 1925.

But I have to ask, Why is it so important?

[Dean Romig]

I would be comfortable with the 275 number but only to the beginning of 1912. After that point we really have no idea how many 0-frame 28's were made up to the date in 1934 that Remington Arms bought the Parker Gun operation.

There are also a few two-gauge, two-barrel (20/28) guns that were most definitely built on the 0-frame.





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[James L. Martin]

Not counting 20/28 guns how many 0 frame 28ga guns have you seen that were built after say 1914. I myself have seen none.

[Dean Romig]

I haven’t been watching 0-frame/date of manufacture guns.





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[Bill Murphy]

I can say one thing that can't be disputed. Joel's question to Mr. Del Grego was misinterpreted, or the answer was misinterpreted. Del Grego's answer had nothing to do with the question that Joel says he asked. I just counted forty four 28" 28 gauge V grade guns just up to 145,000 serial number, about 1907. Obviously there are more than 14 or 17 total. Joel, look in the appendix of TPS to get some better information. You could have looked at earlier entries in the SB if you were interested in 28 gauges made earlier than your 1902 gun. The numbers are there. I would also recommend that James Martin also use the TPS appendix for more and more accurate information.

[Bill Murphy]

By the way, there is no use in copying or recopying the stock books. Commander Gunther already copied them and we have the copies. What has not been done is to transcribe all the serial numbers in the stock books into the serialization book database. The information is there for Chuck to copy, anytime he gets a few minutes.

[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

The information is there for Chuck to copy, anytime he gets a few minutes.

If the President gets the federal minimum wage up to $15.00/Hr, Chuck can get a $15.00 raise.

[James L. Martin]

Bill ,I do look in TPS ,where are the 0 frame 28ga guns listed? That is what we were talking about.