Remington 1894 FE on the course

[Cold Spring]

Two pics of my Remmy 1894 F Grade Trap gun with ejectors on a sporting course today. A new-to-me gun and the first time we were out. 12-gauge of course with steel 30" barrels and chokes at 33 and 37 points of constriction. Chokes are about 5 to 5-1/2" long and full tapered to the muzzles. She shoots high of course and sure makes smokeballs even at longish range. Kind of interesting, she's one of the earliest F Grades made as I recall in 1905-06 and was patterned with #7 shot as indicated with (7.) stamped on the barrel lug. Ordered for live birds?

I was telling my buds today, maybe Ill try qualifying for Remington at the Fox - Parker Challenge this year.

[Researcher]

Sweet!! I'm very fond of my FE-Grade Trap even thought it has an after market beavertail. The story I got from Jerry Smith when I bought it was it had been the gun of an old Pennsylvania live bird shooter for whatever that is worth.

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The grip on my gun is quite thick, as is the comb, but everything about the stock looks 100% Remington.

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Overall heavier stock than my other Remington Hammerless Doubles.

From the 1909 Remington Arms Co. catalog --

1909 Catalog pg 18 Trap Guns pictures.jpg

1909 Catalog pg 19 Trap Guns text.jpg

I first start seeing the FE Trap Guns in the 1329xx range and quite a few in the 133xxx & 134xxx range then another bunch in the 138xxx & 139xxx range. The "Grade F.E. for Trap Shooting" first appears in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog.

[Stan Hillis]

Wow! Very nice, Frank. Five to five and a half-inch full tapered chokes!

That's a beauty.

[6pt-Sika]

I like the straight grip ! I bought a 16 gauge 1900 at Rock Mountain and am working on a deal for an 1894 10 gauge . I’d never paid much attention to Remington doubles other than 32’s and to a lesser degree 3200’s but a fellow I shoot with regularly collects Remington O/U’s and SxS’s . And over the course of watching him shoot them I kinda thought I needed a 16 and perhaps the 10 .

[6pt-Sika]

My Remington collector buddy has two F Traps . But the other Sunday on the way back from Prospect Hall Mr. Hall and I stopped at Clark Brothers in Warrenton VA and they had what I thought and they said was another F Trap so I sent my friend a text and the day after he went snd bought it . According to him it was an 1894 Pigeon not an F Trap . I think he’s going to bring the gun Friday to shoot at Old Forge along with another REM 12 . If he does I’ll take a couple pictures .

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

I first start seeing the FE Trap Guns in the 1329xx range and quite a few in the 133xxx & 134xxx range then another bunch in the 138xxx & 139xxx range. The "Grade F.E. for Trap Shooting" first appears in the 1905-06 Remington Arms Co. catalog.

My Remington friend claims they made a gun similar to the FE called a pigeon gun before they coined the F Trap term . He also claimed they changed from Pigeon to F Trap because even in the very early 1900’s the animal rights folks were getting started . This gun he just got has no safety and had 32” fluid steel barrels .

[Researcher]

In the first 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalog they listed straight grip CEO-, DEO- and EEO-Grade 12-gauges as Pigeon Guns, except they list CE-, DE- and EE-grades.

Pigeon Gun, 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalog.jpg

By the second 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalog they cleaned up the listing --

1902 Pigeon Gun 2nd 1902 catalog.jpeg

By the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog the same guns are Trap Guns --

Trap Gun, 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog.jpg

Same in the 1904-05 catalog. By the 1905-06 catalog the we have that listing --

1905-06 Trap Gun page 11.jpg

and the new lower priced gun --

1905-06 Trap Gun page 19.jpg

For 1906 Remington was on a Trap Gun roll with their man William Heer posting the high average for the year --

The Gun Behind the Man, The American Field, Mar. 2, 1907.jpg

Also in 1905 Remington Arms Co. introduced another Trap Gun --

1905 Trap Gun.jpeg

which will win the GAH in both 1907 and 1908.

[Reggie B]

Beautiful gun Frank! What is not to like about that one!

[Cold Spring]

Thanks everyone. I had some questions and will answer them here. This 1894 is mid 1329xx range and while I don't have Semmer's book handy right now as I recall that serial is dated 1905. Stock dims are 1-3/8 by 2 by 14" LOP over the Remington rubber plate. Barrel legend shows "Trap Gun F Grade". Ejectors are in perfect time and will throw paper or plastic empties 8-10 feet to land within inches of each other. Chambers measure a tad short of 2-3/4", call that 1/32" short using a precision gauge made on the lathe. Weight 8.0 pounds on my digital scale.

Yesterday I was shooting a cleanup of random reloads to include Federal papers 1-ounce with 700-X powder, also Rem Game Clubs 1-ounce with "PB" powder, and Game Clubs loaded with 7/8 ounce ahead of Alliant E3. Primers were Winchester, Fiocchi and Cheddite respectively and the Remmy was harder to open with the Winchesters owing to firing pin/tip drag. Same as many Fox guns and that's why I rarely use Winchester 209's in reloads intended for a variety of vintage SxS's. As I'd written she shot a little high as compared with my regular sporting double-guns but after firing at a tree top to check POI and adjusting/getting into the Remmy she did pretty well.

Craig, some months ago I also came into a 1900 K Remington in 16b, 28" damascus made with upland stock dims and chokes at 7 and 21 points, about IC and I-Mod. Really nice shape and weight 6-9. I'll be trying her out on clays and then birds this fall.

For those who will be at the Vintage Gunners Cup at Hausmann's, Steve Barnett Fine Guns will be exhibiting and there are a ton of Remington 1894 and 1900 doubles on the SBFG site. A phone call to August there in the shop can probably arrange to get one or more brought to Hidden Hollow for inspection. Just sayin.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

Craig, some months ago I also came into a 1900 Remington in 16b, 28" damascus made with an upland stock dims and chokes at 7 and 21 points, about IC and I-Mod. Really nice shape and weight 6-9. I'll be trying her out on clays and then birds this fall.
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Frank the one I have came from a mutual friend of yours and mine , matter of fact I think you were standing there when I told him I’d take the gun . Anyway the one I got seems to be IC-M . I shot it at skeet the following Tuesday and I shot it well . Gun also was smoking at skeet doubles from 3-4 and 5 . Just got the 16 and 20 gauge attachments for my newly acquired micrometer bore/choke gauge today so now I’m capable for 10 thru 20 , perhaps this weekend I’ll get the little gun out and take a measurement .