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Dean, not too long ago, we lost the last of Linda's Springers. Mother and son were both great upland and water dogs. Doser made his last open water retrieve on a live duck at 14 years old. Yes, we have pictures. Linda's Springers were not hard headed by any means, but absolutely lovable and cooperative house and car dogs. Crate train from birth, start frozen pigeon training young, and you will be OK.