Frame size vs weight

[B. Dudley]

Originally Posted by Stan Hillis

Brian, the term "shoe filed" is not in my vocabulary. in the interest of always wanting to learn, could you briefly explain it? I assume it has to do with the way the action is initially filed up by the actioner?

Thanks, SRH

Yes. It was the factory term used for hand shaping the frames.

[Stan Hillis]

Thanks, Brian. I'm probably overlooking the obvious but, any idea how the word "shoe" applies?

SRH

[B. Dudley]

Originally Posted by Stan Hillis

Thanks, Brian. I'm probably overlooking the obvious but, any idea how the word "shoe" applies?

SRH

I don't know, I wasn't there.

[Dean Romig]

It is the floor plate. A “shoe filer” is responsible for the perfect invisible fit of the floor plate into the recess in the frame that is machine-milled... as well as other hand fit and shaped areas of the frame.





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[Rick Riddell]

The replies are turning out to be interesting! The unstuck barrel weight on my grade 2 is 3 & 14 oz with an actual finished weight of 3.3, I thought this may have been the norm, but hearing of other 2 frame guns with heavy weights makes Parker guns that much more interesting!!

[Stan Hillis]

Thank you, Dean.

It's a good thing that we didn't have to "be there" to know what we do know about these old guns.

SRH

[Gary Laudermilch]

I have a 1 frame 12 with 26" twist barrels. It weighs 6-10 but has a barrel MWT of .031 & .032. It is .115 at chamber end and .90 in front if the chamber. So, it appears the Parker guys did not have to thin barrels excessively to get a light gun.

[Hixie]

Interesting differences among comparable guns. My 2 frame 12 ga DH has 30" D4 barrels with the unstruck weight of four pounds four ounces and a finished weight of three pounds eight ounces. The total weight of the gun is seven pounds eight ounces which seems to be on the lighter side of what is typical.

Other factors effecting the total weight of the gun when comparing two like guns could be pistol grip vs. straight grip stock and the dimensions of each? I assume the straight grip stock may be lighter? The presence of ejectors probably adds some weight vs extractors and maybe even DH butt plate vs. SSBP vs Silvers pad? These things may be splitting hairs, frame size and barrel length are probably the two biggest factors.

[B. Dudley]

Originally Posted by Ted Hicks

Interesting differences among comparable guns. My 2 frame 12 ga DH has 30" D4 barrels with the unstruck weight of four pounds four ounces and a finished weight of three pounds eight ounces. The total weight of the gun is seven pounds eight ounces which seems to be on the lighter side of what is typical.

Other factors effecting the total weight of the gun when comparing two like guns could be pistol grip vs. straight grip stock and the dimensions of each? I assume the straight grip stock may be lighter? The presence of ejectors probably adds some weight vs extractors and maybe even DH butt plate vs. SSBP vs Silvers pad? These things may be splitting hairs, frame size and barrel length are probably the two biggest factors.

Ted,

Yes, frame size and barrel length/weight would be the first considerations when the factory put together a gun for balance and weight. The stock wood would be the next major consideration as the density of the wood can have a great effect on weight of the blank. Anything beyond that would be worked out in the final staged of finishing the gun once small parts are added.

[Rick Roemer]

Also wondered about the term "swamp" when it refers to barrels. Thanks