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thanks fellas for the info on the round ball..will be measuring my bores tommorrow and orgering the round ball mould for the 8 ga...should have load going before deer season ends...our season goes till jan 15...should be a interesting round...accuarcy is my main concern....8 ga rifles usally shoot with in6 inches at 50 yards but i know the smoth bore will not be as good as the rifle....charlie