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Unread 10-01-2019, 07:36 PM   #1
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I too have a C&R and live in NY. There is much confusion as to the meaning if the "Safe Act" relating to that license.. I have carefully studied the wording as it relates to NICS check and what is exempt. The law states that exemption exists if you have an "FFL". A C&R FFL is and FFL and qualifies. However, if a Dealer or individual wants to error on the side of caution they will not accept the C&R.
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Rock Island was recently audited and changed their policy on picking up guns to meet the Illinois law for C&R and modern guns -- a 72 hour wait period. I also noticed that they have limited what they designate an antique when some of those guns are clearly made before 1898. They are careful to the exact minute on when you can pick up a gun. Obey the law. Can't say I blame them, but it's irritating.
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The NY "Safe Act" won't allow a resident to receive lots of firearms which the FEDERAL laws DO permit. This underlying issue, which no one is willing to undertake, is States, passing (their version of ) laws which contradict FEDERAL law. Find a Constitutional Lawyer, whose kids are out of college, and things might change. Otherwise, you're looking at a minimum of $300K-$1M to take a case to the Supreme court.
Don't feel you are alone. You're not. I recently bought a gun from a CA Pawn shop, but had to have it shipped to an 01 FFL in CT. He was perfectly happy to accept my C&R.
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All of this has to hurt sales, don't you think?
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Garry, it does hurt business for those selling below the “I don’t care” price point. If you have a C&R in a restrictive state ( CA and NY used to be the only ones) you need to find an 01 FFL who knows the law. The problem has become one where states quickly ram through a law, sponsored by legislators who, themselves, are not familiar with Federal Law ( I SO wanted to call them ignorant) Sadly, the days when politicians had the education, and balls, to get up in front of a committee, and say “ You Can’t Do That” are long gone.
As Brian says, we are an industry they are willing to throw under the bus. We raise children who are not like our fathers. We coddle and protect them until they take the path of least resistance. I genuinely fear for those of us who built our lives around a Constitution that protected what we love.
Sorry, I’ll get off my well worn soap box.
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I hate to say this as I don’t like any of the negativity towards guns in general in our country . HOWEVER , go to another country and for kicks and giggles let’s say a third world country and try to legally obtain or import a couple firearms . I’ve been toying with it in the Philippines for about three years now and I’ve not made any headway so far . It seems what I am going to have to do is open a buisness over there a pistol/rifle range to be exact . Then I can get permits for my wife to have several firearms . I don’t want much , an AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel , a Remington 700 HB in 222 , a CZ 455 in 22 LR , a CZ 16 , 20 or 28 SxS and a 1911 in 45 ACP . Heck over there you even need to get a license to cast bullets and reload ammunition !!!!!! So even with all the BS we have to endure here we are leaps and bounds above most other countries .
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Craig, you’re correct that we are well off, however we are only doing so because there were sound minded people before us. Today, any rights we have are the remnants of what we had before. Next year, it will probably be less, and so it goes.
What will turn this around? Give nothing to those who do now wholly support the rights we have too casually considered permanent.
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