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Thanks Edgar. I searched the site for SN's and got responses that there were records for both, so guess I'll just have to be patient. The book info doesn't match what I have. According to the pictures 25864 is a 12 ga.,G grade with 30" barrels. I hope the book is in error, as much as I would like it to be a 10, because it would mean the barrels have been cut. Alternatively, the picker could be wrong on both counts. We'll see. Jim...