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I too don't like recoil. For me, a 4 dram load is out of the question. In 12ga, 75grs of 3F and 1oz of shot will break any clay bird. Federal papers can be cut to 2 1/2" and roll crimped. They look just fine. For the 10, 82grs of 2F and 1oz of shot will also break any clay bird without the recoil. Nothing would change with any of the BP substitutes.
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